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Phil Hill
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posted 09-03-2005 06:22 PM

Gosh, it looks like David sez ***WAY*** more dumbass stuff than I do... [thumbsup]

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Leo Enticknap
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posted 09-03-2005 07:40 PM

David's post consists mainly of a quote from a BBC Online article. While, IMHO, BBC journalism has many strengths - the speed at which its correspondents can get news out of problematic situations, and the high level of factual accuracy in that news being the main ones - it also has weaknesses. I don't want to point this thread into dangerous ground, so all I'll say is that one often repeated criticism of BBC news reporting is its left of centre political outlook. I'm simply saying that this criticism exists - not offering an opinion as to whether or not I think it's justified.

If what I'm reading, watching and hearing some 4,500 miles from the disaster zone is right, there are questions that need to be asked about why it took the best part of a week for the authorities to understand the scale of the disaster, given that there was a forewarning. But that's for future enquiries and, possibly, elections - surely the priority now must be to evacuate the remaining refugees, work out how to provide a home and a chance to to earn a living for them in the coming months, and then get New Orleans drained and repairs underway.

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Jim Ziegler
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posted 09-03-2005 07:47 PM

There definately needs to be a major after action review of this, as mistakes have been made, stuff has been over looked, etc. But, to be fair, no one has ever had to deal with the evacuation of a city of this size.

Any examination needs to move beyond fault finding and needs to focus on what changes need to be made to allow things to move faster (for example, it is being reported now that some guard units from other states were delayed 24-48 hours because of questions regarding the legality of sending in Guard troops from other states for law enforcement activites).

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Phil Hill
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posted 09-03-2005 07:51 PM

Oh OK Leo... I'll add the POS BBC to my post...

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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posted 09-03-2005 08:13 PM

Nevada's Task Force One being one of those. They've been cooped up in a Dallas hotel for the last couple of days waiting for FEMA to let them into the disaster area. This after driving for 31 hours straight from 'Vegas in convoy earlier in the week. So much for quick response.

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Jim Ziegler
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posted 09-03-2005 08:19 PM

What is Task Force One Paul? Did FEMA say why they were being delayed?

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David Stambaugh
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posted 09-03-2005 08:29 PM

The experts in dealing with disasters like this are always the people watching it on TV on the other side of the country, or the world. DAMN! They're never at the site of the disaster where we really need them. The poor bastards actually dealing with the problem and who are expected to fix it NOW are ALWAYS incompetent. [Roll Eyes]

(where's the sarcasm smiley?)

Last night on FOX Geraldo and Shepherd (sp?) Smith were covering the story in a mostly hysterical manner, especially Geraldo, shouting and sweating and holding a baby etc. What happened to reporting the news, rather than being the news? This was followed by other commentators claiming "Things are getting better today". I'm so confused. [Confused]

If you have this many people in a 95-degree 100% humidity environment who are now homeless, with no food, no water, no sanitation, no air conditioning, no transportation, and they're surrounded by sewage and dead bodies, and nobody appears to be in charge, this is what you get. Doesn't matter much if it's New Orleans or Seattle.

I made the largest cash donation I could afford to the Red Cross. Though I'm sure someone will jump in now to tell me I'm a fool because the money will just be used to pad the bank account of some Red Cross official. [bs]

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Paul Mayer
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posted 09-03-2005 08:39 PM

Nevada Task Force 1

Don't know any more at this point. They rolled out of here in a big hurry expecting to be given their destination and assignment while enroute. Channel 8 News has two of their people riding along and reporting as they go. It's been very frustrating for everyone--the reporters don't have a story to report on and the firefighters don't have anything to do except try to stay sharp. Pictures from the hotel show several other fire & rescue crews from SoCal in the same boat.

The hotel has an anime and comic convention going on as well. Some of the pics of the firefighters' reactions to the various cosplayers are pretty funny.

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Phil Hill
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posted 09-03-2005 08:48 PM

quote: Paul Mayer
They've been cooped up in a Dallas hotel for the last couple of days waiting for FEMA to let them into the disaster area.

Oft times unsolicited "help" contributes to the confusion and drains resources of those that are "in charge" and trying to get a handle on the situation. Until someone coordinates physical help and donated supplies, help can best be provided by cash contributions to legitimate causes.

Like Dave, I too sent cash to 5 different agencies.

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David Buckley
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posted 09-03-2005 10:59 PM

Thanks Leo for setting the record straight, and to Phil for encouragement (as ever).

(Edit: For a sure cure for Phil's low blood pressure, try this article, which is rather more extreme: German Minister's remarks irk USA )

And Jim, the IEA, and gas, the world has an interest in what happens to GoM ops post Katrina, it spells potential big trouble, rather more so than whether you have a job or not:

IEA news reported via Yahoo

BERLIN (Reuters) - The head of the West's energy watchdog said in an interview on Saturday that Hurricane Katrina could spark a worldwide energy crisis if damage to U.S. refineries led to a big increase in U.S. purchases of European petrol.

"If the crisis affects oil products then it's a worldwide crisis. No one should think this will be limited to the United States," Claude Mandil, head of the Paris-based International Energy Agency (IEA) told German daily Die Welt.

"They [by which he means the US]are already buying gasoline in Europe. If the refineries are damaged, that will only increase. Then this will become a worldwide crisis very quickly."

Mandil told the paper that high oil prices represented a risk for global economic growth and urged consumers to alter their behavior to save more energy and limit the fallout.

Poor countries were bound to suffer most from a recent surge in energy prices, which has been aggravated by Katrina and the shortages it has caused, he said.

On Friday, the IEA launched a rescue plan to ease those shortages, saying its 26 members would release two million barrels per day of oil over a 30-day period.

U.S. gasoline prices have spiked by nearly a fifth over the past week, pushing up fuel prices around the world.

Sorry about bringing up the old gas issue here, but it is the dominant issue of our time...

But, there is a serious response to your question. How much can you afford to pay for gas before you will not be able to afford to drive to work, and thus you wont have a job? That time will come...

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Kyle McEachern
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posted 09-03-2005 11:35 PM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Thats easy....
You have ALOT of people there that don't know HOW to appreciate anything because they have NO values, heck they don't even know what the words VALUE or decency mean or how to properly pronounce them. Remember they have a LIMITED vocabulary to begin with.... If you received a free handout all your life would you appreciate anything?

Yeah! Goddamn them for coming from an area of poverty! What the hell were they thinking, living in an area where they weren't able to get a good education, even if the government wanted them to! Let's make fun of them and say "Ha ha! You died because you're stupid! Sucks for you, you greedy welfare-getting bastards! Oh yeah, and not only are you dumb, but you're incapable of human decency and how to speak properly because you talk differently than I do!"

Seriously, what the hell are you doing making a comment like that about people who are DYING and suffering from INJURY and DISEASE and LOSS OF EVERYTHING THEY OWN...AS YOU TYPE YOUR A**HOLE REMARKS? I don't think there's any situation in which I'll understand the thought process there.

Just...wow.

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Jim Ziegler
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posted 09-04-2005 12:12 AM

quote: David Buckley
(Edit: For a sure cure for Phil's low blood pressure, try this article, which is rather more extreme: German Minister's remarks irk USA )

Someone should remind the German minister that 60 years ago we were saving the world from his country.. He should also be reminded for a better part of the last 60 years, we were saving his country's sorry ass from the Soviets... I hope his comments are the final straw and we withdrawl ALL U.S. Military from Germany - and then make similar comments when their economy recesses...

quote: David Buckley
But, there is a serious response to your question. How much can you afford to pay for gas before you will not be able to afford to drive to work, and thus you wont have a job? That time will come...

So you are suggesting I quit my job now before I can't afford to have it anymore? To answer your question, at least $10/gal... I burn about 2 gallons going to work an back each day, so, for me, its more annoying than anything right now.. (To answer any preemtive questions - there is no public transport between where I live and my theatre, and I can't live in the same town as my theatre because all the apartment complexs are either full or low income - I have looked around here several times).

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Yeah! Goddamn them for coming from an area of poverty! What the hell were they thinking, living in an area where they weren't able to get a good education, even if the government wanted them to! Let's make fun of them and say "Ha ha! You died because you're stupid! Sucks for you, you greedy welfare-getting bastards! Oh yeah, and not only are you dumb, but you're incapable of human decency and how to speak properly because you talk differently than I do!"

Two words Kyle - personal responsibility. It is not the states responsibility to make sure your life is peachy. If you choose to work and better your lot in life you can - if you want to be lazy, then it won't happen.

quote: Kyle McEachern
Seriously, what the hell are you doing making a comment like that about people who are DYING and suffering from INJURY and DISEASE and LOSS OF EVERYTHING THEY OWN...

Don't forget looting, raping, shooting at rescue choppers, shooting at police, shooting at firemen, breaking into hospitals looking for oxycotan, and trying to take M-16s from Guardsmen..

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Leo Enticknap
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posted 09-04-2005 06:19 AM

quote: Jim Ziegler
I hope his comments are the final straw and we withdrawl ALL U.S. Military from Germany - and then make similar comments when their economy recesses...

It already has, and big time. The German economy is almost into deflation territory, with virtually zero economic growth and unemployment at 12% and rising. If what I'm reading is in any way accurate, Gerhard Schröder's government (in which Jürgen Trittin is a minister) is being held responsible for this by a large proportion of the electorate. There is a general election coming in just over a fortnight's time, which the centre-right Christian Democrat party, led by Angela Merkel, is widely expected to win. Therefore I think it would be safe to speculate that Trittin's rant can be seen as a crude electioneering stunt. Opposition to the Iraq war is about the one and only policy of the Schröder government which has any significant public support in Germany, which I guess is why Trittin is attacking the US government.

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Jim Ziegler
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posted 09-04-2005 06:41 AM

It does seem like France and Germany take any chance they get to try and take a stab at the US. I find it interesting that they are criticizing US economic and environmental policy when the US economy is night and day stronger than theirs.. On a positive note, the collapse of the German economy is, historically, prelude to an invastion of France. [thumbsup]

Seriosuly, I find it annoying that, with everything that has happend in the past, and all the nations we have gone to the wall to help, that there is only a handful of nations that the US can always rely on to have our back (the UK being one of those nations).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 09-04-2005 07:49 AM

quote: Kyle McEachern
Seriously, what the hell are you doing making a comment like that about people who are DYING and suffering from INJURY and DISEASE and LOSS OF EVERYTHING THEY OWN...AS YOU TYPE YOUR A**HOLE REMARKS? I don't think there's any situation in which I'll understand the thought process there.

Just...wow.

Kyle,
You need to go air out your ****ing brain!! After you have spent as much time as I have in that area...N.O., and Mobile then your comment which would be very different from the one above might be able to stand on its own two feet. There are alot of wonderful-responsible people down there but there are also ***ALOT*** of rats!

quote: Jim Ziegler
Two words Kyle - personal responsibility. It is not the states responsibility to make sure your life is peachy. If you choose to work and better your lot in life you can - if you want to be lazy, then it won't happen.

EXACTLY

but Kyle is apparently oblivious to this sort of lifestyle [Confused]

Don't forget Kyle that the N.O. area is the largest single receipient of Welfare checks, has the MOST corrupt government of ANY city in the U.S., hence those people didn't buy their belongings... they got them free of charge and for many, many years.... Its obvious Kyle that you have not taken on the RESPONSIBILITY to KNOW what REALLY goes on in this country.

Indeed, this N.O.'s flood has definately flushed out the real rats down there.... And perhaps in a few other areas that aren't even close by as well.

Mark

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