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Scott D. Neff
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The highest I've seen gas recently... was 87 octane for $2.29 -- thankfully I don't often use my car for personal reasons, so the company covers most of it.

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Paul G. Thompson
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According to NY Times on AOL News, it is now $2.75 a gallon for regular and $2.95 for premium at some stations in San Francisco.

In Los Angeles, a news clip reads:

quote:
LOS ANGELES, March 5 — "This is killing me," Bob Sherwood, an electrician who spends a lot of time on the road, said on Friday at a Santa Monica gas station after paying $30 to pump 13 gallons of gasoline into his '71 GMC truck.
Well, lets see....$30.00 divided by 13 gallons = $2.30 a gallon. As I said before, it is going to happen, so deal with it.

Scott, I wonder how long the company will take care of some of the expense. I wish you the best of luck.

For semi-retired people like me, it is getting cheaper to stay home than to goof around with part-time jobs just to have something to do. [Frown]

I guess I can forget about a vacation this summer. [puke]

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Mike Fitzgerald
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We always tended to be among the lower cost for gas here in east North Carolina.However in the last week it went from 1.57 to 1.69 in a matter of days and that was a few days ago I have not been to see what it has gone up to this weekend.

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Paul G. Thompson
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Kinda sorta related, it seems odd that a certain breed of engine has been around for 110 years. It was an engine designed to run on gunpowder then developed to use vegetable oil injected under pressure directly into the combustion chamber. An engine that needeed no spark or electricity to run and that is still the only choice for heavy transport today. This engine is of course the Diesel engine which was invented by French-Born Rudolph Diesel (18 March 1858 - September 29, 1913.)

Mr. Diesel was also a consultant for Busch-Sulzer Brothers Engine Company from St. Louis, Missouri. (Yes, related as an independent company to Anheuser-Busch Company, the makers of Budweiser, Busch, and other beers.) That company designed and built the largest Diesel engines ever made in its time. A 3,000 horsepower 10-cyl 2-cycle engine where the pistons weighed 4,000 pounds each.

Incidently, Busch-Sulzer built engines for maritime use in ferry boats, submarines, and I have heard locomotives.

So, if they could burn vegetable oil 110 years ago, why do we have to spend 2 bucks a gallon for fuel oil?

Some time ago, a bunch of college kids modified a Diesel engine to burn McDonald's french fry oil. Sure, it smelled like a french fry when it was tooling down the road, but who cares? The fuel was free.

What's the point? To me, it is simple. There are other alternatives for cheap fuel. Always was, and always will be. Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. [Big Grin]

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Leo Enticknap
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Some time ago, a bunch of college kids modified a Diesel engine to burn McDonald's french fry oil. Sure, it smelled like a french fry when it was tooling down the road, but who cares? The fuel was free.
Someone thought of that here, too. A couple of years ago the bogies arrested five motorists for doing exactly that in an attempt to evade paying fuel duty. The smell was what caught them.

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Police impound cars run on cooking oil

Police in west Wales have taken action against five drivers in one day for using vehicles run on cooking oil as part of a clampdown on the illegal practice. The motorists were stopped under new legislation which makes it an offence to use the oil as an alternative fuel without paying a fuel tax levy.

It has been reported that a growing number of motorists are using the ordinary frying pan oil in their diesel engines to cut costs. But such drivers face having their vehicles impounded if they do not pay a fine of £500 and persistent offenders face up to seven years in jail.

The legal problem is, that by using 32p-a-litre cooking oil instead of petrol costing around 73p a litre, they are not paying fuel tax. But they are committing an offence because all cars on public roads must pay fuel tax - and cooking oil is not taxed.

Officers have launched a crackdown in areas and it is reported that six drivers were arrested and questioned at Burry Port. The Automobile Association (AA) has warned that cost-conscious motorists could be storing up trouble for themselves.

Oil fumes

"It could severely damage your vehicle if you do not follow the manufacturers instructions about which fuel to use," a spokesman said. Traffic police - dubbed "frying squad" officers - are sniffing out the tax dodgers because the fumes smell like chips cooking.

One driver, who did not want to be named, said: "I've halved my motoring costs since I started running my diesel Subaru on cooking oil. The car runs just as well and even smells a lot better than diesel." The motorist was one of dozens who have had their cars impounded in the crackdown.

He said: "I was stopped by an unmarked car which had blue lights flashing. The officer went to the fuel tank, dipped it, and found cooking oil. "I put my hands up to the offence and the car was towed away. They said Customs would be notified."

Legal powers given to the Customs and Excise mean that drivers are being forced to hand over £650 to get their vehicles back. They can be fined £500 for using illegal fuel and charged a £150 towing fee.

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A Dyfed-Powys Police spokesman denied earlier reports that six drivers had been arrested in the crackdown. "It is part of our spot stop-and-check fuel strategy to catch offenders dodging fuel taxes."

One supermarket in Llanelli confirmed it sold more cooking oil than any other branch in the country. Asda spokeswoman Rachel Fellows said: "We have to admit we do sell a lot of cooking oil at our Llanelli store, but anyone seen attempting to wipe out our stock with bulk purchases would be stopped."

Customs and Excise spokesman Bill O'Leary said: "All cars on public roads must pay a tax on the fuel they use. "Evasion is a criminal offence and carries a maximum seven-year jail term."

Link to story.

The main problem, I guess, would be getting hold of enough of the stuff without arousing suspicion. I burn about 40 litres of fuel per week: if I were to attempt to buy that much in one fell swoop from my local supermarket it would surely attract instant attention. Ditto if a private individual tried to buy 200-litre drums from a catering supplier. I suppose I could go round all the shops in town buying a litre or two at a time, but doing that every week would bore anyone out of their mind. You would need to have links to the catering industry to stand any chance of getting away with it, I suppose.

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Pete Naples
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Or do it legitimately. Collect waste oil from the fish and chip shops ( as often as not they will give you it for free ), process to turn into biodiesel and pay the fuel duty on it, such as it is. Still saving a small kings ransom!

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Leo Enticknap
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They really should give us tax breaks for doing that: burning biomass doesn't produce anything like the Co2 emissions as fossil fuels, and what's more it's renewable. But that logic assumes that the rationale for sky-high fuel duty is protecting the environment, whereas in reality Gordon Brown just wants to screw us for as much money as he can. [Frown]

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Pete Naples
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Aye Leo, sad buy true. I not with disgust that the duty on LPG is set to rise..... Just as well my converted Range Rover had paid for itself already!

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Paul G. Thompson
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Just assessing the tax situation, Washington State fuel tax is presently about 28 cents per gallon, and Federal gasoline tax is about 18.4 cents per gallon. We are one of the highest in fuel taxes, so if we use WA as an example, between state and federal tax on fuel is 46.4 cents per gallon. Many states have a considerably lower state taxes on gasoline.

So, if we are getting ripped on a price of a gallon of fuel that costs $2.29.9 or more and we pay 46.4 cents per gallon, that leaves the price $1.83 per gallon. Most stations mark their fuel up about 6 cents per gallon, which means the oil distributers are charging $1.77.5 per gallon. How much the distributers buy it for is unknown, and is probably a closely guarded secret.

Something really does not add up, here. If you obtain 50 gallons of scrap vegatable oil (some places would be happy to give it to you because it costs them money to haul it off) and pay 50 cents a gallon for taxes, that still is a helluva lot cheaper that buying a gallon of fuel for $2.29.9, don't you think so?

A thought just occurred to me....I just wonder why your waist engine oil is taken for free by many recyclers? Probably to keep it out of your Diesel engine.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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If people were to convert to vegetable oils en masse prices would be right up there with gasoline and other current motor fuels in no time. Just look at the price of propane now.

Be thankful you're not paying $0.83 USD a gallon in taxes, like I do. [Smile]

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Paul G. Thompson
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You have a valid comment, Daryl. Now we know why heating oil, propane, gasoline, diesel fuel, jet aircraft engine fuel and anything else that will somehow burn in an internal combustion engine has done just that. Bottom line is still Big Oil controlling the market.

I was just offered 5 gallons a week of vegetable oil. Free. On a few websites, I noted there is a conversion kit to convert Diesel engines to burn vegetable oil. Look up the "Veggie Car" - that was the one I was talking about that made a trip across the USA on vegetable oil.

I just might get one of these conversion kits, add a few more filters to the engine, and "fill-er up" with vegetable oil. It will have to be thinned out, though. Vegetable oil by itself is too heavy for modern Diesel engines to handle. But from what I have read, it is very economical.

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Paul Mayer
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Shoot. Just saw a San Diego, CA area gas station sign (on TV news) that had $2.799 USD posted for premium (high test).

No price increase here this week. But I imagine we'll see very little price roll back between now and the start of the summer driving season. So $3.00 a gallon is still a real possibility here some time this year.

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Rachel Craven
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I drove through NH and Maine this week and prices ranged from $1.61 - $2.01 /gal regular unleanded. The cheapest price seemed to be in the little hick towns... [Smile] Of course we saw what had been the cheapest thus far at $1.71 and filled up the tank - the next town over was $1.61! [Roll Eyes]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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1.799 here in SLC for unleaded... 1.749 with my club discount card.

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Darryl Spicer
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$1.79 here at the Shell station I use and that was for the 93 octane premium gas.

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