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Victor Liorentas
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Did anyone on here buy the British IB Tech print recently put up for sale?

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Joe Tommassello
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OK Michael...I found it. Apparently has something to do with the chain I used to work for. I don't really have anything bad to say about them other than they weren't willing to pay good people what they were worth to keep up the quality of the presentation...but that's no different than most chains.

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Paul Linfesty
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1) Yes I saw it at the Piedmont Theatre in Oakland.

2) Although I was bored by it and fell asleep, I wasn't really giving the movie much chance. It was a matinee and I was pretty exhausted when I went. I never saw it again in a movie theatre but appreciate its film-making and acting skill today.

3) I have no problem with remaking bad movies, or even updating films with a new point of view. However, the film was essentially remade anyway with the sequel, Jaws 2. Badly, with nothing new to add. I thought the ROBOT CHICKEN spoof was hilarious where they added all new CGI effects to the original (the shark jumping out of the water for some acrobats and the much more spectacular explosion at the end).

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Jim Cassedy
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I'm old enough to have run JAWS when it first came out.
The crowds were HUGE, bigger I think than for STAR WARS
which was released a few years later. The theater was
packed every night. I could tell what part of the movie
was playing just by hearing the gasps of the audience
in the booth.

We had, I think, 5 shows a day- - and since it was a
long movie, that meant it pushed me into (union) overtime.

JAWS was very good to me! It paid my rent for a long time
and paid off a new car loan. The picture did so much
business in the theater I was at, we brought it back
the following summer for another good run.

Of course, we projected films 'the right way' back then-
with carbon arcs & change-overs. I once told a friend
who was visiting me in the booth one night that I had
run JAWS so many times that I could probably do the
changeovers with my eyes closed. He dared me to try
one, and I did- - sucessfully.

I can still remember where all the changeover cues are.
Last year, while on a business trip, I saw JAWS running
on one of the movie channels in the hotel and started
to watch it. I had to stop, becuase every time it
got near a reel end, I felt the urge to get up out
of bed. . . (I'm not kidding!)

JAWS was a great film in its' day, and still stands up
well even 35 years later. I also ran all the JAWS
sequals. The first one wasn't bad, but by the time
they got to JAWS 3D, I was rooting for the shark. . .

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Victor Liorentas
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When watching the IB Tech reels of Jaws 35mm i felt like the food critic at the end of Ratatouille going right back to my childhood memories of how great Jaws looked on the big screen!
My 16mm scope print could never quite get me there but this did!
I had to film guard the heck out of it due to wall to wall black scratches which the film guard has worked miracles on! [beer] [thumbsup]
Some reels are British made Eastman SP with great color but blotchy fungus like oil that seems to deep for film guard so far.
A question for Brad. Do you think film guard will penetrate this over time?
I love this movie! We are going to show it along with The Shark Is Still Working doc!

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John Hawkinson
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By the way, Uni's doing a great job on keeping this repertory title in shape. The soundtrack negative was redone in 2000, with quad tracks (as Manny noted in the FITA), and we just ran print #7 which was struck in 2006 and it looked great.

--jhawk

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Victor Liorentas
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John!
Did it have digital tracks?

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John Hawkinson
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Yes. When we say "quad tracks" that means SR/SRD/SDDS/DTS.
Print #7 did come without DTS discs, and I did ask someone to point that out to Uni...

--jhawk

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Victor Liorentas
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Yes,read your post to quickly.
I would love to see one of those prints up here in Canada!

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Brad Miller
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quote: Victor Liorentas
A question for Brad. Do you think film guard will penetrate this over time?
This answer doesn't really belong in this thread, but so long as it is a one post tangent...over time the FilmGuard will evaporate...slowly and leave no trace of it being there. Depending on your storage conditions this could be up to a few years though. Once it evaporates, your scratches will be back. If you've gone overboard and sloshed it on to a ridiculous level though, I recommend you use dry media pads each time you run it to help ensure it stays clean of new dirt.

I seem to recall hearing a few years back that someone had ran one of these prints and it was left/right only. Can anyone confirm?

quote: Jim Cassedy
Of course, we projected films 'the right way' back then-
with carbon arcs & change-overs

Were you cleaning the print regularly? Was the print timed for carbon light? If no to either, that wasn't "the right way".

The changeover discussion is a much more in depth one due to people's strong love for nostalgia, but for such a long run the platter would have taken better care than running reel to reel too (provided quality operators in both scenarios and a quality platter, not one of the cheap-o craptastic ones).

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Jason Metcalfe
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quote: Jim Cassedy
Of course, we projected films 'the right way' back then-
with carbon arcs & change-overs.

yeah well if you're not watching a nitrate print then you're totally missing the blackest of blacks, it's all about the contrast and the smell of the toxic chemicals. Suddenly it's a lot hotter in here...

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Glen Rich
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1. Oh yeah, at the Newman Drive-in. (Mining town 1200+kms north of Perth Western Australia). I was 11.

2. Only discussion I can can think about is still checking the Bath, Billabong, Swimming pool for big bities, just on the off chance. Would not swim in the ocean, (which off the coast here is renowned for its big bities), for about 10 years after seeing Jaws I.

3. Only if Speilberg directed it otherwise no...

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: Brad Miller
Were you cleaning the print regularly? Was the print timed for carbon light? If no to either, that wasn't "the right way".
The comment was made slightly 'tongue-in-cheek, since
you know from my comments in previous posts that I
despise platters with a passion most people reserve
for tax collectors and child molesters. So we're
going to have to "agree to disagree" on the platter
vs changeover issue, which was not the original point
of this thread anyway.

BUT- in repsonse to the questions you posed:
1) I don't know when labs began timing prints for
Xenon VS Carbon arc. It's quite possible that
back then it actually WAS timed for carbon but
I don't know that for sure. I'm also not sure
that anyone, including myself, could have told
the difference at first glance. And the average
customer couldn't, for sure. I do know that, at
least in the New York area I worked in, carbon
arcs & changeover booths far outnumbered platters
at that time.

2) Other than some museums & archives I can't recall
anyone cleaning prints back then. In my case, I
can't really recall a print getting dirty. I kept
my machines very clean. Remember these booths
were orignally set up for nitrate projection, so
the film was never actually "exposed" to ambient
booth dirt. Reels were stored, projected and
rewound in totally enclosed enviornments. It never
really had the opportunity to have dust settle on it.
Nor did the film run over numerous plastic rollers
which contributed to dirt-clinging static electric
charges to be built up.
I don't ever recall having dirt be a problem, at least
in any of the places I worked in back then, until I
started working with (ugh!) platters.

I'll admit that ultimately it's how one takes care of his/her
booth & equipment that ultimately determines how things look
on screen. But I think just due to the physical differences
between running on platters VS projecting from reels that
it takes a lot more care & work to prevent film dirt &
damage running off platters just by nature of the fact
that the film must contact more rollers and that it's
got increased exposure to the possibilty of dirt just
due to the distance between platter & projector.

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Mike Blakesley
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I remember running Jaws when the Roxy first played it. It was some 17 months after release date, so of course the beat-up reel ends were the norm. I wish we'd had Film-Guard back in those days, but I suppose most of the dirt was probably "baked-in" enough that it might not have been as effective, at least until run a few dozen times (and we played it just one week).

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Scott Norwood
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There are at least two upcoming screenings of Jaws in the Boston area: the Somerville Theatre will be playing it in August, and the Coolidge Corner Theatre will be playing it in September.

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