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Darryl Spicer
Film God

Posts: 3250
From: Lexington, KY, USA
Registered: Dec 2000

posted 08-04-2003 06:13 PM

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Cinemark cuts green bands too

That is pretty much set in stone and out of my hands. I was hoping they would get away from that when they put out the new booth guidelines but it is written in there and hence we must follow it. I thought maybe with all the concerns with the ratings and not putting certain trailers on certain films would change that.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-05-2003 09:13 PM

Ricky Boyson, you or your theater sucks!

I got your sneak print of "Freaky Friday" and have a few tips for you.

Do not eat fried chicken before or during buildup or breakdown.
Learn how to properly break down a print. There were numerous spots where tension was lost during the breakdown process and a smooth tight wind was not had. Of course whoever broke this down wasn't smart enough to take it to a rewind bench and carefully rewind it to protect it from shipping. Instead the breakdownmaster was kind enough to repack the unevenly wound rolls into the cans where the sprockets would get crushed.
Why in the hell was the last few dozen feet of reel 5 all folded over onto itself? Exactly HOW does one accomplish that during breakdown? Please do tell. I'm baffled.
Oh yes, and do add some friggin' tail leader! I don't appreciate having the blue MPAA rating band scratched to shit and back. It destroys my curtain closing.

Extra kudos for a job well screwed-up goes to "John, the blind integrity inspector" for letting this obvious edge damage out the door of TES after a fine, fine quality inspection job dated 7-27-03. You didn't even have to unroll any of the film to see the damage! You suck too.

By the way, a tip for future reference: If you are going to suck at what you do, don't sign your name to the tail leader!

Thank you both so very much for helping to ensure I cannot have a flawless presentation of this movie. It was so kind of the both of you. Please accept my deepest gratitude and swivel on this. [fu]

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Thomas Procyk
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1842
From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-06-2003 01:45 AM

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It would be VERY unusual to make a DVD master from a worn and splice-filled release print. Who manufactured the DVD?

I just watched the DVD of Clockwork Orange the other day. There were parts in it with a lot of positive dirt and even some GREEN SCRATCHES! [Eek!]

=TMP=

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-06-2003 07:38 AM

Mark,

If the print you received from the Ambler was indeed their backup print...any chance they never ran/opened it? I am unaware of them using white-out. They use Neumade and/or CPI splicing tape and are regular Film-Guarders. If you are sure that they indeed ran the very print you received, perhaps calling them or the County theatre in Doylestown (kinda their home base) would prevent such occurances.

Steve

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Ron Lacheur
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 650
From: British Columbia, Canada
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-06-2003 09:02 AM

Thomas,

did the case of the dvd have " Digitally Remastered " on the top of it? If not that is the first pressing of the Stanley Kubrick trilogy which basically re-used the old laserdisc transfers and would explain why there was scratches and dirt.

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Mark J. Marshall
Film God

Posts: 3188
From: New Castle, DE, USA
Registered: Aug 2002

posted 08-06-2003 11:30 AM

Steve,

Thanks for your response. I'm going by what we were told by Technicolor ("Your other print is coming from the Ambler theater after they have their show tonight") and an Ambler employee that our manager met when he went to investigate why a show that started at 7:30 pm required us not getting the print until 12:30 am, when the theater is literally 10 minutes away. According to that employee, we were getting their backup print.

When I called Technicolor to order the new print, they confirmed that that's where it came from. If what you say is still true, then the only thing I can think of is that maybe they received the print this way. And if that's the case, they suck for not calling Technicolor themselves.

Mark

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-06-2003 12:45 PM

Mark,

Your description is that you received their "backup" print. These are often either not used or the worse of two prints. I'd be concerned if it was their "show print." Again, backup prints often never leave the can so I'd confirm that they actually laid hands on it (more than just stitting in the lobby or projection booth) before trashing them in public. If they did do as you state, calling them or the County would likely resolve future issues for everyone.

Steve

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Jesse Skeen
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1517
From: Sacramento, CA
Registered: Aug 2000

posted 08-06-2003 02:29 PM

"By the way, a tip for future reference: If you are going to suck at what you do, don't sign your name to the tail leader!"

It is "Company Policy(TM)" at some places for the person making the print up to include their name on the tail, but obviously not so to do a good job otherwise.

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-06-2003 02:58 PM

I know Jesse. I'm just poking fun at how silly that policy is. [Razz]

(If only they would put the name of the theater and the person's name who broke it down on the leader too.)

Now PLEASE tell me that there isn't a theater chain that trademarked the term "company policy"!!!

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 889
From: Freehold, NJ, USA
Registered: Apr 2001

posted 08-07-2003 07:05 PM

OK, I know its "just a kids' show", but no film deserves to be mishandled, so.....

Whoever last ran print # 2971 of "Shrek", you suck. So do you, Beulah (TES employee clock #27581), who "integrity checked" this print. Shame on you. Or did you sleep through your shift on 8/5/03, when you attached your lables to those nice new film bands? Did you think that would prevent a bench inspection???

The print was scored on the image edges from beginning to end on the non-emulsion side. First reel had no head leader, but rather a bunch of snippets of film spliced together to serve as a leader.

Automation tape was left on, about seven feet into the Dreamworks logo.

All heads and tails were reattached with that wonderful white tape on both sides ( that [bs]

should be banned from all projection booths)with several other layers of zebra tape underneath.

Last reel didn't even have a tail and ended in the middle of the rating. Automation tape was left on, but hey, I'm not picky.

Interesting that we have run a children's film series this summer with eight titles. All the ETS prints were in very good shape. The dogs came from TES. Their other offering was Antz, and although I did not put that one together, the operator who did told me that one was in bad shape, too.

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Chris Hipp
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1462
From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas)
Registered: Jul 2003

posted 08-08-2003 02:13 AM

What is everyone's opinion on leaving cue tape on the print?

I prefer that it is left ON the print, particularly the kinds that tend to leave adhesive on the film, that way I can be sure to get it all off when I remove the cue.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

Posts: 3977
From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 08-08-2003 03:34 AM

I prefer that my projector doesn't shutdown mid-show because I had to throw a film on due to a last minute delivery and the person before me didn't bother to remove their cue tape.

So, I'd prefer it be taken off. If your cue tape is crappy and leaves goo all over the film, I'd prefer it be taken off too.

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John Pytlak
Film God

Posts: 9987
From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 08-08-2003 06:05 AM

It is YOUR responsibility to remove all cue tapes (and any goo) before sending the print back.

It is also your reponsibility to properly inspect incoming prints to be sure the previous operator lived up to their responsibilities.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Film God

Posts: 3977
From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
Registered: Jun 2002

posted 08-08-2003 06:28 AM

Absolutely agreed. Every frame of film should be checked whether it's a new print or a used print.

FWIW, if I am forced to literally throw a print on a platter when it shows up 15 minutes after the scheduled show time, I always run the show manually with the automation shut off (failsafe's still on)... avoiding any unscheduled intermissions. [Smile]

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Brad Miller
Administrator

Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 08-08-2003 06:38 AM

Given the current state of things, I would be ok with the following general policy.

*If you ONLY put a cue at the beginning of the credits and the end of the feature, it is acceptable to leave them on. Anyone foolish enough to not check these two locations on the print for cue tape deserve to have a false cue anyway. Besides no professional would run a film without every foot being fully inspected unless there was literally no time.

*If you put a cue ANYWHERE ELSE on the print, you MUST remove it! A perfect example of this is automated changeover houses or maybe a cue at the beginning of the feature or cues somewhere in the print to control volume changes. Offenders of this policy will be required to live in an enclosed room breathing trichlourethane pumped through the ventilation system.

*If you use those barcode stickers and don't lay a piece of tape down on the film and then place the un-removable sticker on top of the tape, you will be required to sit in a room watching Gigli on eternal repeat. (Trichlourethane really isn't needed for this punishment.)

I think that's fair, right? [evil]

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