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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 08-20-2003 08:24 PM                     There are several better ways to mark a reel change rather than using opaque tape, even though fromw hat you describe it isnt covering any of the image. I don't mark the reels in any way, I just keep track of how many lab splices I removed and then I find where the reel change is. If you notice, each reel is usually distinct on a built up print, so it is not hard to see where the changeover is anyway. I believe the Film-tech way is to mark the outside of the reel flange where the film is so you can use it as a reference to where the splice is. Also remember that it is extremely rare for the image to be the same at a changover, so chances are, if the picture is different it is a reel change.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-20-2003 08:29 PM                        If you make opaque splices, you suck.  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 08-20-2003 09:10 PM                     For the record, I only use clear neumade tape. The only thing that we use yellow tape for is to drop in the Sync leader so we can pull it off easily afterwards, of course the leader never shows on screen.  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2003 12:12 AM                     I don't make opaque splices... the theatre we bought did before we had it. It was aweful looking on screen to be sure. The tape we have been using on the reel changes is the thin white that is translucent, not the thick white that is totally opaque. About a little less than 1/2 of an inch that folds over the top of the film which equates to about less than 1/4 of an inch on each side of the film. Just enough to be there and not enough to even get close to the soundtrack. Lab splices... um never mind... I should start a new thread and keep this one on topic. New thread, comming up. LOL  |  IP: Logged Andrew McCrea Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 645 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Registered: Nov 2000 posted 08-21-2003 08:50 AM                        OK: Question: When you splice a film, do you put tape on both sides, or just on the top (Where the light comes through on screen)? I'm sorry, but I forget the technical terms, but it has something to do with emulsion, right? Also, where do you put cues? Do you put it at right where you want the event to start happening, or a couple frames before? Is cue tape universal?  |  IP: Logged Ron Lacheur Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 650 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-21-2003 09:23 AM                     Always and I mean ALWAYS splice both sides of the film. The time or the tape saved is not worth having the show crap out on you when the splice breaks.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-21-2003 09:25 AM                        Taping only one side of the print risks having the splice "fold up" in the projector, usually in the upper or lower latham loop, possibly causing a jam or film break. http://www.acmi.net.au/AIC/LATHAM_BIO.html http://www.film-tech.com/tips/splicing.html http://www.film-tech.com/manuals/H5001.pdf  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2003 11:45 AM                     We use the tiger stripe tape for splices on both sides of the film. We use the white translucy stuff for little top marks so the reel change can be seen comming. I have seen the translucent yellow end up on there too but we don't even have any of the totally opaque yellow or white tape that I know of anyway.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-21-2003 12:31 PM                        Remember, for "Film Done Right", your audience should ideally never see or hear the splice. A colorless translucent tape will still scatter light, reducing contrast on the frames it covers. Opaque or colored tapes are not acceptable for any footage that is projected.  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2003 12:43 PM                     Colorless translucent... so basically any splice will scatter light to some degree? Not sure if I'm following you totally... my terminology is still not up to par yet. The only tape that ever gets near a frame is the tiger stripe or clear itself. The translucent ones are just used for top markers and just fold over the top of the film. My question was/is(lol) since it is no differnet running through the projector, and since it never gets on frame, and since it doesn't(like the white out) flake off and leave dusty particles in the projector, is there anything wrong with marking this way. I'll see if I can take a picture of it and post it. May take a while as I don't have a camera. Sorry, I'm sure if I knew the terminology better I could explain it in a less confusing manner.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-21-2003 01:03 PM                        By "translucent", I mean a tape that has a frosted appearance, or isn't totally clear. In other words, if you hold it up to your eye and try to read something through it, do you see a clear image?  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 08-21-2003 03:13 PM                     ok, the only translucent tape we use is on the top edge... it NEVER touches the frame.  |  IP: Logged Steven Privett Expert Film Handler Posts: 208 From: Pasadena, TX, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 08-21-2003 05:31 PM                    : [ 10-03-2003, 03:14 PM: Message edited by: Steven Privett ]  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 08-21-2003 06:56 PM                    Yeah but what are you talking about with the "thin white tape"? The thin white tape I've seen is disgusting material that should be banned from booths everywhere as it does not peel cleanly which means either some subsequent user is going to have to do a ton of work to save those frames or, more likely, they will get cut off. I always use totally clear tape even though as a reel to reel booth (I run a screening room) my splices (which are mostly to repair what lazy platter people send out) are generally never shown on screen.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-21-2003 07:23 PM                     The next reply needs to take this off-topic discussion into a new thread.  |  IP: Logged

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