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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 12-02-2003 03:24 PM                    How much film damage do you suppose the Strong / Potts MUT has been indirectly responsible for (directly too but that's a separate issue) by not being splicer friendly? There are probably plenty of people out there who say "f____ it!" who might otherwise do it the right way if the MUT presented them the film the way a rewind bench does with a nice area for the splicer.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-02-2003 03:57 PM                     Being that there are so many of that style of platter out there in the US? I'd say well over 25% and possibly up to 50% of all breakdown damage. Seriously, Strong would redesign that damn thing if they cared. Even if they kept everything the same and just made the table 8 inches wider, they would be fine.  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 12-02-2003 04:39 PM                     Are those the muts that the Strong Alpha 5 decks use? We have a Balco that from what I can tell is the exact same icky thing. The mut for it is indeed not splicer friendly but I seem to not really have all that much problem splicing heads and tails back on. It is the wierdest design I've ever seen and I can say I just thought the old Speco Horizontal Muts we had at Suburban Cinemas was were bad. I know I miss the LP270 and the AW3s really really really bad. This having to switch each motor on after threading is getting old with having to turn the platters by hand and holding the film in some funky dance pose so the leader never touches the floor. Sheesh. Whoever said being a projectionist was easy is a guy who is being complained about in this thread. LOL  |  IP: Logged Adam Martin I'm not even gonna point out the irony. Posts: 3686 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-02-2003 04:49 PM                     quote: having to switch each motor on after threading is getting old with having to turn the platters by hand Your takeup accumulator doesn't lock into a threading position?  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 12-02-2003 04:58 PM                     I'm not fully versed on these platters yet so it is possible that it does... I know I was told when I came aboard that the platter doesn't work right so we have to switch the switches manually every time. I've tried a few different things and last night I noticed spring loaded pins but I had downstairs stuff to take care of so I didn't mess with studying the platter to see what they are for. I just dloaded the potts and strong 5 deck manuals from the manuals page and I am looking them over now.  |  IP: Logged Jim Alexander Film Handler Posts: 71 From: Greenwood, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Nov 1999 posted 12-02-2003 05:58 PM                        I concure with John. Splicing correctly only take a couple of extra minutes per movie and it saves a lot of agrivation for the next inline to show the print. As for the strong MUT and it not having enough room for a splicer, I agree. So that's why I mounted an 8" shelf to the back side of it, now we have lots of room and it is splicer friendly.  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 12-02-2003 08:49 PM                        Jim, Care to email me a photo of your modified table? I'd like explore this with two of mine.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-02-2003 09:04 PM                     That's a pretty good idea Jim. Maybe I'll wander over to the local Home Depot and find something that is perfectly sized for the job. After all, if you wander around Home Depot long enough, you can find ANY weird thing you need for a job! (I was considering moving the roller/spring assembly to the other side of the vertical post, but this idea sounds easier.)  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 12-02-2003 09:29 PM                    How about turning the feed arm 90° to a vertical reel configuration, eliminating spills of nearly full reels as you get situated and splice? Just a change in the bolting and I think maybe one more roller & keeper would do it.  |  IP: Logged Gary Crawford Expert Film Handler Posts: 200 From: Neptune NJ USA Registered: Nov 2003 posted 12-03-2003 11:03 AM                     Before I start bellyaching please know that I do in fact get most of my prints in very good condition. Thank you to you first-run guys who take care of things. Running 2nd / Sub run shows I get all sorts of interesting things in film cans. Most seem to be that the guy before me was in a big hurry. I don't mind if leaders and tails are just taped on, but please see that the right leaders go with the right reels. Leave a frame or two on the leader and tail (some of you folks don't do that) Make an effort to actually find the end of the reel as you break down. "That looks about full" and cutting it anywhere makes it hard for the next guy. If you have say, reels 5 and 6 that fit on one 2000' shipper and you leave them combined, just drop a note in the can saying so. And send the leader and tail. If you destroy a plastic shipping reel please say so, to save me a big surprise when I pull it from the can. A big dusty sneaker footprint in the middle of the 3rd reel is unacceptable. Slow down a little so I don't have to squash down all those folded edges you sent me. If you paint the edges of reel ends it should go without saying not to paint the soundtrack or frames. If there are glitches like scratches or whatever, please let the next guy know about them. Saves us making it up only to have to order another print. Be nice to the end of credits and rating. You'd be surprised how many I get where the end of the last reel gets worse and worse, dirty and scratched, and sometimes shredded. End of rant. Thanks again to you folks who ship out prints still in good shape!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2003 03:35 PM                        Good points Gary. Anyone who ever paints the edge of film with anything should have to watch John Travolta's Battlefield Earth projected with the wrong lens for infinity. You're fairly new around here...soon you will learn to NEVER EVER bring up the subject of identifying frames left on leaders!  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-04-2003 12:23 AM                        Mike said: quote: You're fairly new around here...soon you will learn to NEVER EVER bring up the subject of identifying frames left on leaders! ESPECIALLY not to casually suggest to leave one OR TWO ID frames on the leaders! Frank  |  IP: Logged Gary Crawford Expert Film Handler Posts: 200 From: Neptune NJ USA Registered: Nov 2003 posted 12-04-2003 02:56 PM                     So noted! **Ten lashes for the new guy**  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-04-2003 03:31 PM                     How topical. One of my Samurai prints I got last night was used and the ASSHOLE left TWO id frames on it. I can handle one, but he left TWO! Because his cuts were so bad, I had to chop off two more, which meant each reel change is missing SIX frames now, which was noticeable on a couple of the reel changes. The jackass also tucked the film under itself rather than splicing the leaders back on, which resulted in the first and last 5 feet of each reel getting nicely scratched up.  |  IP: Logged Frank Bruno Film Handler Posts: 50 From: houston, tx Registered: Aug 2003 posted 12-04-2003 09:22 PM                     Just why are 2 frames such a big sin anyway? While I cut one frame personally, I was taought the two by operators who were, are, & will probably always be WAY more competent than I. I do take great aggravation when receiving "experienced" prints & everyone who's had the print has cut themself another frame until theres maybe 5 or 6 frames cut (assuming nobody sliced off & chucked any frames during teardown.) Say what you will btu the two frames is more a preference issue. hacking another frame or two instead of makig an effort to actually peel old tape off? That should get somebody caned.  |  IP: Logged

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