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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-04-2003 09:33 PM                     Frank, you are new here. This has been discussed a bazillion times. Please do a search for your answer. And those people who trained you to cut two, that just shows how out of date they are and how stuck in their "well this is the way I learned so it must be right" attitude. That practice dates way, way, way back to the days of cement splicing. Nowadays, you can't even use a cement splicer with the print stocks being used. Also if you will think about it for a minute, when the first person to make the cuts does a shitty job of it, the next guy HAS to recut the print to make a quality splice.  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-02-2004 04:36 AM                     This one goes not only to a specific theatre, but the entire company! Let me start off by saying, AMC I hate you guys with a passion!! The week before Thanksgiving I attented "Master and Commander" at the Puente Hills AMC, it was the late show, 10pm something.. The booth dummy focused the first trailer, then I assume went home for the night. The feature came on out of focus and stayed that way. I was there with a date, so getting up to hunt down a manager to bitch at was out of the question. After the show, which never did get focused or have any sort of screen/auditorium check, I entered the lobby to find it deserted. It was close to 1am, and the only person I saw was some guy wiping down the concession stand. Everyone else had gone home or was hiding in offices!! The following day I typed and mailed AMC corporate offices a letter about my experience, as well as my reciept for the 2 tickets purchased by me. Last week I recieved a letter from them with 2 freaking coupons for free popcorn!!! How stupid are these people! I pointed out what a horrible show they put on, and proved to them that I paid full price for my tickets, and they don't have the decency to even send one pass!!! I never want to go to an AMC again. Danny  |  IP: Logged Thomas Procyk Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1842 From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-02-2004 09:27 AM                     Speaking of breaking down prints properly, I've had this happen once before and thought it was just a chance happening that I came across a print that's been handled by a complete idiot, BUT NO!!! A co-worker informed me that our print of "Tupac Resurrection" came with each reel spliced to itself IN THE CANS!!! That's right folks. The heads and tails were all wound up in the cans, and reels 1-2, 4-5, and 6-7 were spliced together! Maybe they thought they were "making it easy for the next guy because he won't have to splice" except that it was two HEADS that were spliced together. Why?!? Who the hell would teach this practice and for what reason?!?!? =TMP=  |  IP: Logged Kevin Wale Expert Film Handler Posts: 167 From: Guymon, OK USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 01-02-2004 09:54 AM                     It must have been someone who decided to get cute. Or, the first time this guy/gal ever broke down a print and was just told how to do it.(which wouldn't surprise me one bit.)  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 01-05-2004 08:25 PM                     I'm with Bobby on Wallace Theaters...I can tell you first hand what's wrong with that company...Used to work for them! In addition to the usual antics Steve G. of WTC I've heard tell of full cups of oil (from projector oil changes of course) being left inside operating lamp houses...How's that for sloppy? Now back to the film... Worst prints ever recieved while running main stream movies: Chicago! Two prints each from neighboring cities. The first had green scratches just slightly off center (nice deep nasty ones) from reels 2 through 6. And it was filthy. Fine, a little film guard got us through Friday and a replacement print was on it's way. Time to build up print #2...Oh baby. ALL of the head AND tail leaders were randomly on the wrong reels. NONE were where they should have been. In addition the studio logo was cut in half and spliced to the head of another reel. Okay, heads secured let's build this puppy up. But wait a minute...I'm missing what appears to be reel 2...Nope, got that one, must be reel 4! AHA! Reel four is nowhere to be found! But what's this? 5 is backwards? Okay, rewind 5 and guess what we find! Reel 4! Explanation: Reel 5 was short; about 3/4 of a full reel. So we order a replacement reel 4 as I finish inspecting. Someone had tossed about 300' of the 4th reel and slapped the rest onto reel 5. Very carefuly cutting it so as to conceal the splice in similar shots...Clever but not enough. I of course called the theater it came from for the missing DTS discs and inquire about the missing tail leaders and footage...They cited equipment problems and said it should be fine for us... TES replaced the reels within a couple days, no DTS discs though. Yay for me.  |  IP: Logged Lindsay Morris Expert Film Handler Posts: 233 From: Darlington, WA, Australia Registered: Sep 2002 posted 01-07-2004 10:59 PM                     Just completed making up Pirates Of Caribbean onto 6000 footers to take to the outdoor for first show tonight. I load it onto the Eprad double MUT on site prior to the show as I much prefer making up on a decent bench at home in the cool rather than the sweat box the bio is during daylight hours. Reel 5 went on OK (onto what will be the first reel to load to the MUT). Reel 6 seemed a bit BIGGER than normal on the core but the ID frames on tail of 5 and head of 6 matched up OK so on went 6. Had a look at the tail ID frame of 6 and oh oh there was not one ID frame but 3. Two were similar and one was NOTHING like the others. So wondering whether I had missed something on the head of 6 I started to wind back but first looked to see if there were any cues on the end of this "Reel 6" not ONE. So I carefully wound back and about 300feet in along comes a splice and it was the same as the odd frame out which was attached to the tail of 6. In addition there were the cues as well. Some dope had run past the end of reel 6 on the breakdown, couldn't find his join so just hacked it anywhere and then added one frame onto the tail of 6 to cover his tracks but left the original frame sitting there. So I sorted that out in case the next user was a C/O place and needed those cues and in anycase would have been battling to fit all of what was supposed to be Reel 6 onto a 2000 footer. The only casualty was that the ID frame from Reel 7 did not match where the real start of 7 was so I tossed that and now 7 has no ID frame at the head. This print had come from a large complex in Perth and I was just the second user of it... surely the small amount of time lost searching for the correct reel end would have been equal to all the stuffing about that went onto to almost conceal what they had done. The "layup" of the film on the 6000 reel showed a distinct change where the 5/6 join actually was and then the join 6/7 was again quite distinct. Sometimes I wonder. Lindsay  |  IP: Logged Paul Konen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 981 From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-23-2004 10:29 AM                     Dallas area (assumption here) Butterfly Effect Print #63 (ETS Depot) 1. Shoe polish or white out at reel changes and applying so much that is globs over into the analog sound track. 2. Cutting at first / last visible frame during reel 5 / 6 changeover that are fade to / from black. 3. Cutting into the studio logo at the start of Reel 1. (Pardon the picture quality. One of my staff used his camera on his phone for this)  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 01-23-2004 11:28 AM                     Whoever had print 290 of Mystic River: Head and tails were not even taped on, jsut tucked under like you woul when tearing down trailers. Have you guys ever heard of a film cleaner? Or at least cleaning the projector on occasion? There was a scratch that kept swaying back and forth through the entire movie, kinda hypnotic.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 02-07-2004 11:45 PM                        Lowes Cineplex 20 at Universal Studios, Orlando. Watching "Monster" in auditorium 13. Newer model Simplex projector, super 80 lamp, SDDS sound. We walked in just as the policy strip was running... dirty & worn out. The picture had substantial vertical jitter, which stayed through the entire show, as did the dirt... which was plainly visible, thanks to uniform coverage from a well-focused lamp. About a third of the way through the show, I couldn't take it anymore and went outside to ask someone to see if the audio was stuck in mono. The staff person went inside and said "sounds like right channel to me". I told him if he went in the left door it probably would sound like "left channel", too... but sitting in the middle of the auditorium pretty much sounded like one center channel & not much else. About 2/3 into the show, stereo magically appeared. At the end, we went up top to see what was in the booth... not hard... standing up in the top row puts you about eye level to the lens. No film cleaner, SDDS reader only (the whole theatre is SDDS only). All in all, for a theatre inside a studio theme park... and at $8 a pop... the lobby was more impressive than the presentation. However, they did have the foresight to provide lockers for patron items, such as cameras, backpacks, etc. [ 02-08-2004, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Jack Ondracek ]  |  IP: Logged Chris Hipp Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1462 From: Mesquite, Tx (east of Dallas) Registered: Jul 2003 posted 02-08-2004 01:38 AM                     That's a shame. I thought Monster had a pretty good SR track. Alot of full sounds especially while the songs were playing.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Stevens Film Handler Posts: 37 From: Colorado Springs, Co Registered: Jan 2004 posted 02-08-2004 02:18 AM                        The Carmike theaters in my town thought you were suppose to cut off and throw away the heads and tails. I quickly called the city manager and explained what was going on in his theaters. I was quickly put on hold and to this day I'm still on hold. PS there must be a school for projectionist to learn how to handle film properly, until then, there is only film-tech.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 02-10-2004 08:35 PM                        quote: PS there must be a school for projectionist to learn how to handle film properly, until then, there is only film-tech. Yes, there are good "schools", several of them: http://www.kodak.com/go/screencheck http://www.entequip.com/ctc.asp  |  IP: Logged Jonathan M. Crist Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 531 From: Hershey, PA, USA Registered: Apr 2000 posted 02-12-2004 11:03 PM                     Just got a print of "Matrix Revolutions" which had last been at the Regal Cumberland Mall in Vineland NJ. All of the reels had been filled to a certain point and then the film cut .... and not at the changeovers. None of the reels had the correct heads or tails on them. At each point where the body of the film was cut, the cuts were made at 45 degee angles cutting up through as much as 2 to 3 frames so that it necessitated taking out as much as 4 to 6 frames (2 or 3 on each head and 2 or 3 on each tail) where the angle cuts had been made. Since this not at changeovers it often occures during major scenes in the film. What can you expect from a Regal in South Jersey?  |  IP: Logged Jack Rapper Film Handler Posts: 7 From: norfolk, va /usa Registered: Oct 2003 posted 02-15-2004 08:27 AM                        one time i had a print of the producers come in with ALL of the heads and tails on the wrong reels with no reference frames. some of the reels were heads out, some tails out. i had to rent it on video just to try to put it together. another time a print came in from isreal in a cardboard box (reels laying flat). all the reels were on lab cores and none of them were taped down. i opened the box, saw a pile of film, closed the box and took a smoke break.  |  IP: Logged R. Andrew Diercks Expert Film Handler Posts: 232 From: Marion, Iowa (In the middle of everywhere) Registered: May 2003 posted 02-16-2004 03:26 PM                     Just got Master and Commander back for an encore this week. I thought marking splices with white out was rediculous, these idiots put file folder lables shortened and place over the edge like a cue. The labels covered the soundtrack on both sides of the film and it tripled the thickness of film going through the projector. Then it was impossible to get rid of the sticky residue, so I had to remove two frames on each reel.  |  IP: Logged

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