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Author Topic: 3D Coming back to film? Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-01-2009 07:15 PM                        quote: Frank Angel They sit there and don't seem to notice that PEOPLE IN THE PICURE ARE FUKIN STRETCHED (me screaming at my nephews). They just laugh at me. I get no respect. This is one of my pet peeves too but I have grown weary of arguing about it with people. Usually it goes: Me: Your TV picture is on the wrong setting. Them: What's wrong with it? Me: Well, see how the people are all stretched out of shape there? Them: Yeah? Me: Well, that's WRONG! They should look like real people! Them: If I set it that way, it doesn't fill the screen. Me: So what? Them: Well...uh, I like it to fill the screen. Me: (slaps forehead in disgust again)  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 12-01-2009 09:14 PM                       Oh, GAWWWD! That's it, Mike! That's the exchange (or, the variation: "Well, why have a wide-screen TV if I can't use it?"). I purely hate it. I don't even bother pointing it out anymore. It's hard to care about something when no one else does.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 12-01-2009 09:18 PM                       Same here, not even my daughter who was practically raised in a booth, was watching the cooking channel stretched on my Kuro. Arggh!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-01-2009 09:34 PM                     I know that we're slightly drifting a bit off-topic now onto HDTV reproduction, but have to chime on this one with what others have noticed: Okey, you got a fancy 16:9, 1080p HDTV sitting in your living room (we got ourselves a VISIO 37" 1080p variety last month from WallyWorld..).. You got into your settings and you can still choose 4.3 standard TV presentation, or the other options of 16.9 - being the panoramic and zoom features... which stretches out the picture on the sides slightly while keeping the center of the image more natural looking (like doing a 1.39:1 anamorphic side stretch with no correction diopters in the middle). Now, on broadcast TV, it's somewhat tolerable (yet, like on CNN, when you see the words scroll across the bottom how they come in from the right slightly ballooned then scrink down to normal size by the time they reach the middle of the screen, only to balloon back up when they exit to the left), yet you pop in a DVD that is in letterbox and you get a major total "Super 3.34:1 "Band-Aid" looking picture on the screen. Thus, what am I missing - wrong settings, or is this what we're stuck with...? -Monte  |  IP: Logged Victor Liorentas Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: london ontario canada Registered: May 2009 posted 12-01-2009 09:43 PM                     Monte, I think you are stretching a letterboxed dvd instead of zooming in on it. If the dvd is anamorphic enhanced then 16.9 works to spread the image out correctly. If i understood you right that is.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-01-2009 09:46 PM                     (Thx..I think that is my problem then - need to use the zoom feature intead of using the default panaramic TV settings .. thx for the help - Monte)  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-03-2009 12:15 AM                        quote: Mike Blakesley Them: Well...uh, I like it to fill the screen. Me: (slaps forehead in disgust again) No, no Mike, THAT's your mistake....you're supposed to slap THEM in the forehead! Actually that non-linear stretch than some set use is the lesser of two evils (the other worse evil is the linear stretch where EVERYTHING is wrong), and it tolerable. The reason I say it's tolerable and barely, is because I can fantasize that I am watching Cinerama or a deep curved Todd-AO picture, which is an advantage of living in a fantasy world as I am fully capable of doing.  |  IP: Logged Sean Weitzel Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Vacaville, CA (1790 miles west of Rockwall) Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-03-2009 02:40 AM                     My wife used to watch her programs with the direcTV reciever set to "stretch" despite my protests. Recently she asked me to screen our print of "The Wizard of Oz" which is a 1.37 LPP print. I threaded it up and put my 1.37 aperture plate and scope lens on and fired it up. Very soon came the complaints. I countered with "you don't notice it on your TV shows. I'm filling our screen how you like it." Now she can't understand how she overlooked it all this time.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 12-03-2009 07:43 AM                    Hahahahaaa  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 12-20-2009 06:46 PM                        Back on topic: Technicolor has had its dealer meeting, is scheduling training for Certified Engineers, and has agreements with 7 film companies. First film is March 2010, How to Train Your Dragon. As stated earlier, picture is equal to or better than D-Cinema. Hadden Theatre Supply is one of the dealers at the meeting; I will let the others speak for themselves. Louis  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 12-21-2009 10:12 AM                        quote: Louis Bornwasser Hadden Theatre Supply is one of the dealers at the meeting So Louis... Have you stocked any "weatherproof silver screen paint" for us drive-ins?  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 12-21-2009 07:36 PM                        Good thought! Believe me, the drive ins are trying. Technicolor seems to be interested; the concern being not only the light issue, but the preservation of the polarized light. Maybe 4500 watts on a smaller screen? Louis  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-22-2009 12:03 PM                     apparently tech has lowered the price as well I will be at the January course who else is going  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 12-22-2009 01:40 PM                        Does a silver painted screen preserve polarization as well as a "native" silver screen? We've got a solid Hurley screen; I am wondering if the back side could be painted and then with the fairly simple, albeit work intensive reversing the screen on the frame, we could have the best of both worlds. If the Technicolor system takes hold as it might given that there is supposed to be 60 new 3D releases in 2010 and I can't see the studios not wanting to make sure they get as much play in 3D as possible, it would behove the screen manufacturers to make "dual purpose" screens -- silver on one side and regular on the other. This would be a boon for theatres signing onto the the 3D film process. They get a silver screen for 3D but can reverse it when and if the fad ends. Or if they just want to be able to show 2D titles without a hotspot between 3D releases.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 12-22-2009 02:15 PM                     quote: Frank Angel Does a silver painted screen preserve polarization as well as a "native" silver screen? We've got a solid Hurley screen; I am wondering if the back side could be painted and then with the fairly simple, albeit work intensive reversing the screen on the frame, we could have the best of both worlds. Frank, I believe silver screens are sprayed, albeit under carefully controlled conditions at the factory, so it theory it might be possible, but I can see a lot of problems. Would the silver take on the back surface of the screen; a surface which wasn't designed for this purpose? How would you spray it on stage without silver getting where you don't want it, on curtains and seats for example? Some of the spray is bound to get into the air, and air currents could carry it a considerable distance. Stages are not designed for spraying; you'd probably need fume extraction for example, unless they've removed the nasty solvents from screen coatings now. Reversing the screen on the frame would involve not only a lot of work, but also a lot of time, during which the theatre couldn't be used, and a lot of handling, which is the last thing you want to do with a silver screen. I think it would be almost impossible to reverse the screen without getting marks on it. Do you have enough height to fly your screen frame? If so, then you could install two screens, each on its own frame. Obviously, this would add extra cost, and take an extra set of lines. If your screen is not too large you could use a roller screen, as Pictureville does with the flat screen in front of the Cinerama one, or MOMI used to do with four different screen surfaces. I was wondering if you could mount a screen on each side of the frame, then attach a set of lines to the bottom of the frame, and turn the whole thing over top to bottom, but you'd need a very deep stage to be able to do it. I'm also not sure if it would affect the acoustic properties of the screen, and whether the frame would be rigid enough to support its own weight while being turned over in this way. You'd probably also need a special double sided frame to be able to do this, though some old wooden ones I've seen could do it.  |  IP: Logged

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