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Ron Funderburg
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Bobbi I don't know if they were playing from the same unit or not but thinking about they were probable out of different sources. I know that Billy said he had a hell of time getting them to close to the same on play back so I assume he was using different players now that you mention it. He sells a a lot of different players as well as TV's. Sony does have an option that you can take it off Automatic and manuel set it on PS3. I haven't tired I didn't see the need but I don't sell the players. Both the sets were fed using HDMI cables I do know that, had they were off the same player they would have been exact frame for frame now that I think of it.

Billy said he couldn't see any difference's in them I noticed a few artifacts on the one he said was 1080i but not in the action scenes it more on the change of scene to me. Then again the display wasn't set up in the viewing room just on the floor. It was blu-ray don't remember the movie. Could have been Casino Royal but not for sure.

I don't Joe beats the heck out of me.

My assistant manager told me that he read (okay now we are getting a bit second hand) that over air broadcast of HD material will be limited to 720p or 1080i until 2009 or 2010.

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Bobby Henderson
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Why do you keep spelling my first name as "Bobbi"?
[Confused]

Please use a "y" at the end of the name -just like how I have it spelled under my photo on this page.

quote: Ron Funderburg
I know that Billy said he had a hell of time getting them to close to the same on play back so I assume he was using different players now that you mention it.
Two different model video players would add more variables into play and make it more difficult to do a proper comparison.

quote: Ron Funderburg
Sony does have an option that you can take it off Automatic and manuel set it on PS3.
Perhaps it might offer that when used with analog component video connections. When using HDMI, the PS3 prefers to talk to the connected device and choose the best settings that device can display. That's what it did with my Sony TV.

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Ron Funderburg
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Sorry about the i Bobby!

They may have been identical units they may not have been I don't know it isn't my store I only know what my friend said. He had hell getting them close to playing at the same point (so they weren't the same unit) he had the output for one set at 1080i and one at 1080p. He said he couldn't see any difference but I saw some artifact's on the 1080i unit.

You can turn off automatic on PS3 if you want. I tried it and it worked why you would if you don't need to I don't know. I can see why Billy did but again I don't know why he wanted to show them side by side in the first place I'm sure in his mind he had a reason for it.

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Bobby Henderson
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If there is some way how one can bypass the "auto-detect" feature of the PS3 in how it talks to HDMI 1.3 connected devices, I don't see any advantage of using that bypass feature if all it can do is drop down the quality of connection I get from the normal 1080p/60,30,24 connection I currently get.

Still, using HDMI, I haven't seen any option of bypassing that auto-detect digital handshake mode. Sounds to me like component analog is really the only way how that is getting done.

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Ron Funderburg
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Bobby, looking at the set up I saw option for Automatic and then to set the output looked though it did see an advantage for me to do it that.

I am guessing that Billy was showing two different players one blu-ray HD player that had a limit of 1080i and one that had the 1080p but that could be me full of shit to. Billy is one of those guys that sometimes does stuff just because he wants. He once put the opening fight scene of matrix on loop just to watch Trinity kick ass in the scene for a few hours at his store on all the TV's. But who could blame him she kicked ass so well in it!

I just had a problem on a DVD it is apparently an older DVD and is a 4:3 ratio letter boxed in! I tried every combo but the full screen was a scope picture that was squashed and the normal and double appeared to be 4:3 with the picture just letterboxed.

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Bobby Henderson
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Here's some interesting news for Playstation 3 owners.

On April 15, Sony will release a system update (version 2.3) to add the capability to internally decode both DTS-HD formats.

Edit: I forgot to mention this item: The 2.3 firmware update will also reveal a revamped Playstation Store.

I am surprised to hear of this DTS-HD upgrade for PS3 coming so soon. Most people knew it was in the works, but the feeling many had was "summer" for the time when the update would be applied. Word is Sony was responding to a great deal of customer demand for the DTS-HD feature.

It's also worth mentioning that just about all (or even 100%) of the Blu-ray titles from 20th Century Fox and New Line have featured DTS-HD Master Audio. Some of these discs had no Dolby Digital compatibility track. Any Blu-ray player can internally decode a DTS-HD lossy core and output it in 5.1 or 2 channel form.

In case anyone doesn't know already, one is a high bit rate lossless format (DTS-HD Master Audio) and the other is a high bit rate lossy format (DTS-HD High Resolution).

The Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Digital Plus formats have similar purposes. DTS-HD Master Audio can operate at outrageously high bit rates, up to 24.5 million bits per second and lossless encode up to 8 channels of 24-bit 192-kHz audio.

Playstation 3 doesn't have the ability to output the raw bit streams of DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD audio tracks. It must decode them internally and output them as uncompressed LPCM. After the system update, the PS3 will be able to process and output DTS-HD as uncompressed LPCM in up to 7.1 channels of audio.

In some additional news, Sony officials stated in some "PS3 Fanboy" 'blog that they would be doing PS3 system updates on a quarterly basis at the very least.

An item coming up in a future firmware update: a de-interlacing feature for 1080i material on Blu-ray.

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Joe Redifer
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Blu-ray is possibly the only area ever where DTS seems to actually have a chance. I've seen maybe 2 Blu-rays with DTSHDMA and maybe 1 BD with Dolby TrueHD. I haven't seen any discs with the pussified Dolby Digital Plus or DTSHD-(shitty version).

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Bobby Henderson
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Are you looking hard enough for those DTS-HD Blu-ray discs? Or were you really talking about HD-DVD and its lack of support for lossless surround formats like Dolby True-HD and DTS-HD?

Almost every 20th Century Fox title I've looked up on Blu-ray has DTS-HD Master Audio on it, more than 50 movies from that studio alone. The upcoming Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid BD release is the only Fox BD title I've seen so far that doesn't have DTS-HD MA as the primary audio track.

New Line Cinema doesn't have very many Blu-ray releases, but the several titles available all have DTS-HD MA 7.1 audio. I rented the Shoot 'Em Up BD. Not only did it have the DTS-HD 7.1 track. But all the audio on the rest of the disc was in DTS. The menu audio was in DTS. Even the freaking commentary tracks. Never saw that on DVD.

DTS-HD is rarely used by other studios, but such discs do exist. The 30th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition of Close Encounters of the Third Kind has tracks in both DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD.

I've seen a number of concert Blu-ray discs featuring DTS-HD Master Audio.

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Joe Redifer
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I'm talking about discs I've held in my hand and watched with my own eyeballs. I've seen craploads of discs for sale or whatnot that feature DTSHDMA and maybe a few that feature Dolby TrueHD. I will be amazed if DTS is actually able to win for once.

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Ron Funderburg
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What Joe is saying is his taste are so narrow that he doesn't like much of anything every made or that is likely to every to be made.

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Bobby Henderson
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Naturally, support for DTS-HD Master Audio will vary on a studio by studio basis (and who is running the studio at that time). With the Playstation 3 adding internal decoding and PCM output of DTS-HD, that should increase studio interest in the surround sound format for both movies and music oriented releases.

Fox is certainly supporting DTS-HD very well on its Blu-ray releases.

There is some question as to what will happen with New Line's support of DTS-HD on upcoming BD releases following the studio's absorption into Warner Bros.

I'm wondering how Universal Studios will weigh in on DTS-HD support once it gets together an official release schedule of Blu-ray titles. Don't know about Paramount. They released a number of DVDs in recent years featuring DTS tracks, but I don't recall them ever releasing any BDs with DTS.

It's probably reasonable to expect future BD releases of past Steven Spielberg movies to feature DTS-HD Master Audio. Hopefully we won't be waiting for too many years for a Blu-ray of Saving Private Ryan with DTS-HD Master Audio.

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Ron Funderburg
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Tomorrow evenings Blu-ray viewing for me is 5th element! I can almost taste the popcorn now!

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Mike Schindler
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THE FIFTH ELEMENT was actually the first HD movie I ever watched on my projector. The harsh lesson I learned that fateful afternoon was that all the pixels in the world can't make a bad movie good. [Frown]

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Tom Mundell
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The Fifth Element is one of my all time favourite movies actually and was the first movie I bought on blu-ray!

quote: Bobby Henderson
but I don't recall them ever releasing any BDs with DTS
Aeon Flux has both a Dolby Digital and a DTS track; unfortunately it's just the usual variety, it doesn't have any of the newer hi-def or lossless formats. I don't remember what all their other releases had though, this is the only one I bought before they pulled all their blu-ray titles.

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Bobby Henderson
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Universal Pictures unveils Blu-ray plans

quote: Reuters UK

Universal joining Blu-ray bandwagon in the summer
Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:34am BST

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Universal Studios, once Hollywood's top backer of the doomed HD DVD video format, will soon release all its new videos on the victorious Blu-ray rival at the same time as its standard DVDs.

The studio is set to announce Thursday that the program will kick off in the summer with the recent box office flop "Doomsday."

Universal's Blu-ray strategy includes plans to release about 40 titles in the second half of the year.

Among them are the studio's five big feature films of the summer, including "The Incredible Hulk," with Edward Norton, William Hurt and Liv Tyler; "Wanted," an action thriller starring James McAvoy and Angelina Jolie; "Hellboy II: The Golden Army"; "Mamma Mia," the adaptation of the musical starring Meryl Streep; and the sequel "The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor," with Brendan Fraser and Jet Li.

Universal officially will enter the Blu-ray market July 22 with a trio of films from its "Mummy" action-adventure franchise: "The Mummy" and "The Mummy Returns," both starring Fraser, and the spinoff "The Scorpion King," with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.

Also planned for domestic Blu-ray before the year is up are the catalog titles "American Gangster," "Knocked Up," "The 40-Year-Old Virgin," "Miami Vice," "End of Days," "U-571" and "Land of the Dead," among others.

Universal had been HD DVD's biggest studio backer ever since the next-generation optical disc format came to market in April 2006. But when Toshiba pulled the plug on the format in February, the studio wasted no time switching its allegiance to Sony's Blu-ray.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
Now we just have to wait a little bit longer for the other shoe to drop: Paramount/Dreamworks' Blu-ray slate.

I find it just a little bit odd Universal has chosen to lead off their opening push for Blu-ray with The Mummy series of movies. Granted, it does make sense given there's another "mummy" saga due for release this summer. But it might have been nice if The Bourne Identity or something else like that could have been released.

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More to add to this post. Here's a copy of Universal Pictures' official press release (recently posted at The Digital Bits) regarding their Blu-ray releases for 2008:

quote: Universal Pictures
UNIVERSAL CITY, Calif., April 17 /PRNewswire/ -- Universal Studios Home Entertainment revealed its initial lineup of film and television properties arriving later this year on Blu-ray(TM) Disc, day and date with DVD, it was announced today by Craig Kornblau, President, Universal Studios Home Entertainment and Universal Pictures Digital Platforms. Marking the rollout of the studio's first global release on Blu-ray(TM) will be the "Heroes: Season Two," which will debut beginning August 26, 2008.

The highly anticipated premier of the sophomore season of NBC's "Heroes" will be buoyed by the simultaneous debut of "Heroes Season One" on Blu-ray(TM). Later in the year and in time for the holidays, five of the year's most promising feature films will arrive in high definition: THE INCREDIBLE HULK, the action-packed new chapter of one of the most popular Super Hero sagas of all time that stars Edward Norton, William Hurt and Liv Tyler; Wanted, the action-thriller from stunning visualist director Timur Bekmambetov that stars Morgan Freeman, James McAvoy and Angelina Jolie; Hellboy II: The Golden Army, the epic vision of imagination from acclaimed director Guillermo del Toro; Mamma Mia!, the musical romantic comedy in which Meryl Streep leads an all-star cast in the adaptation of the beloved musical; and The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, the next installment in The Mummy franchise in which Jet Li, Maria Bello, Michelle Yeoh and newcomer Luke Ford join the returning Brendan Fraser and John Hannah for a supernatural adventure that shifts the series to the Far East.

"We are thrilled that our preliminary slate of Blu-ray(TM) offerings comprises such a brilliant collection of high-def centric fare," said Mr. Kornblau. "As awareness for Blu-ray(TM) continues to grow, consumers will learn to rely on the superior quality picture, sound, interactivity and connectivity that only high-definition home entertainment delivers."

The first wave of Universal Blu-ray(TM) releases, which hits U.S. stores July 22nd, gives fans of The Mummy franchise a chance to relive the iconic blockbuster films' thrilling beginnings in crystal-clear high-definition. The Mummy and The Mummy Returns, starring Brendan Fraser, and the hugely successful action-packed spin-off The Scorpion King, starring Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, all will be released on Blu-ray(TM) for the first time that day.

The first of Universal's new theatrical Blu-ray(TM) releases hitting store shelves this summer day and date with its DVD counterpart is the apocalyptic thrill-ride DOOMSDAY, starring Rhona Mitra, Malcolm McDowell and Bob Hoskins. Other titles on deck for 2008 include American Gangster, Knocked Up, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, Miami Vice, End of Days, U-571 and Land of the Dead, among others.

Furthering Universal's aggressive rollout of Blu-ray(TM) product globally, Universal Pictures International Entertainment, the company's international home entertainment arm, is concurrently announcing its initial slate of Blu-ray(TM) releases for the international marketplace today.

Universal Studios Home Entertainment is a unit of Universal Pictures, a division of Universal Studios (http://www.universalstudios.com). Universal Studios is a part of NBC Universal, one of the world's leading media and entertainment companies in the development, production, and marketing of entertainment, news, and information to a global audience. Formed in May 2004 through the combining of NBC and Vivendi Universal Entertainment, NBC Universal owns and operates a valuable portfolio of news and entertainment networks, a premier motion picture company, significant television production operations, a leading television stations group, and world-renowned theme parks. NBC Universal is 80%-owned by General Electric, with 20% owned by Vivendi.


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