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Steve Guttag
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Now if the stations have any class...they'll use a vintage sign-off screen, with the National Anthem to boot!..."This concludes our lifetime's programming on this channel...please join us on our new Digital channel...yadda, yadda, yadda.."

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Joe Tommassello
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If we are willing to admit it we all know that a certain percentage of people will NEVER prepare for the transition. In spite of the ever-increasing attempts to educate viewers a small percentage - like the 6.5 million homes referenced in the news stories about the legislation - will not act until they turn on the TV and see only static. Inevitably they will mention it to someone who will explain it to them or more likely attain and install the necessary equipment for them.

What do you want to bet if they delay it till June there will still by five million unprepared homes?

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Joe Redifer
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Steve, that would be great. I was definitely planning on watching an analog station when the transition occurs. Maybe I should videotape it. Anyone here remember videotape? Nah, I'll just digitize it into my computer.

I just can't decide which channel to watch. It had better not be on a Thursday night.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I'll be watching it happen on my 1946 RCA 10" B&W set. Might as well watch a lifetime of tv transmission come to an end on one of the very first televisions you could ever own!

Jim,
Of course I applied for and received coupons for each of my vintage televisions... all 7 of them... haha just kiddin. I'll just wait till the converters show up at the resale shops in a few years... Till then I can run old TV shows from DVD on them.

Mark

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Jesse Skeen
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My reception here with an indoor antenna isn't good enough to record anything off analog TV for keeps (not that there's been anything on recently I'd want to do that with) but if I did record the last analog broadcast I'd put it on VHS or Beta, rather than DVD, because my VCRs will record the main audio in Hi-Fi and the SAP (Second Audio Program) on the linear track of the tape. DVD recorders can't do that.

I was just checking out the digital stations and most of the morning news shows are in widescreen but have everything set up so if you crop it to 4x3 (which all of the digital tuners for old TVs can do) you don't lose anything- like the news anchors at the desk have empty space on the sides, and text is in the 4x3 safe area. I see the networks have even moved their precious bugs a few inches over so they won't be cut off either. Glad I quit watching TV years ago because this would be another thing to annoy me.

What's really great is when they run commercials shot wide, but only have a standard-def letterboxed master. That means on the HD channel they have to show it as a 4x3 letterboxed picture with black area on both sides of that. This looks fantastic when you then watch that letterboxed on a 4x3 screen. Since the commercials are the most important thing they show you'd think they would've fixed that in a hurry.

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Stephen Furley
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Mabe I could get VERA to record it for me. (Anybody from the other side of the water probably won't understand that one).

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Jesse Skeen
I was just checking out the digital stations and most of the morning news shows are in widescreen but have everything set up so if you crop it to 4x3 (which all of the digital tuners for old TVs can do) you don't lose anything- like the news anchors at the desk have empty space on the sides, and text is in the 4x3 safe area. I see the networks have even moved their precious bugs a few inches over so they won't be cut off either.
I'm not sure how much longer after Feb. 17 the major TV networks will be composing material with a 4:3 safe action area in the center of the screen. It poses some significant limits on what really can be done within a 16:9 frame.

Regarding the little network "bug" logos on the screen, I still plenty of them getting cropped. I was watching 24 Monday night in SD (I don't get than one in HD yet). Their "FOX HD" logo in the bottom right was partially cropped. A little of the "HD" lettering was visible.

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Looks like Congress is at it again. Late yesterday afternoon the US Senate quietly pushed through a tweaked version of the DTV Delay bill. It should wind up on the House floor for discussion some time next week -with only 2 weeks remaining before the current DTV deadline. Great.
[Roll Eyes]

DTV Date Switch Facilitated by Senate

quote: Ira Teinowitz, TV Week

January 29, 2009 5:06 PM

The prospects for a delay of the switch to all-digital broadcast TV signals increased as the Senate approved a revised piece of legislation that would permit pushing back the Feb. 17 DTV deadline.

With no debate, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed the bill in anticipation of a House of Representatives vote next Tuesday to delay the transition to June 12.

The Obama administration urged the House to act next week to delay the changeover.

“Poor planning and inadequate funding of the DTV conversion means that millions of Americans risk being left in the dark on February 17th," the administration said in a statement.
"This bipartisan legislation which again passed unanimously in the Senate tonight appropriately acknowledges the needs of both the American consumer and the public safety community. We urge the House to move quickly to pass this bill, and we will work with Congress to improve the information and assistance available to Americans as the nation moves to digital television.”

The Senate vote was expected after senators discovered that there were technical flaws in the original version of the legislation approved Monday night. The most recent Senate vote eliminates one obstacle to enacting a DTV delay when the House returns Monday.

The new Senate vote means the House will be sending any legislation it approves directly to President Barack Obama, speeding approval.

Republicans have opposed the DTV date shift as unnecessary and offered an alternative that would instead fix the problem with government coupons for converter boxes. Money for converter-box coupons has temporarily run out, leaving requests for 2.6 million coupons on a waiting list.

Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockeller, D- W.Va., offered the new Senate bill with Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, the ranking Republican on his committee.

“The Senate has acted quickly and in a bipartisan way to put the needs of consumers first,” Mr. Rockefeller said. “The House will have a second chance next week to implement this delay, I am hopeful they will pass this bill so we can send it to President Obama.”

Sen. Hutchison said that while she and Sen. Rockefeller agreed to the extension, the deadline won’t be extended again after June.

“I do want to serve notice that I will not support another delay in implementation,” she said. “By now, people, have had the notice and we’ve done everything to mitigate the cost of this transition. I’ve talked with Sen. Rockefeller about that and I think we are in agreement that now is the time for people to get their coupons and boxes because on June 12 this transition will be made.”

The bid to delay the national changeover comes as a number of the nation’s 1,800 stations are quietly making the switch to digital. The Federal Communications Commission said tonight that 133 TV stations have already switched to digital-only signals, with another 67 set to switch before Feb. 17 and 93 to switch at midnight Feb. 17, whatever happens with the delay legislation.


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Ron Funderburg
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It looks like in the OKC area that most of the stations are going to make the tranisition on in Feb. weather the deadline is delayed or not.

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Bobby Henderson
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The TV stations in the Wichita Falls-Lawton market just South of OKC are leaning that way as well.

KFDX, the NBC affiliate, is already operating its DTV channel at full power. KFDX' owner Nextar Communications is going to take the Fox affiliate DTV station, KJTL, to full power probably within the next 7-10 days. I don't know what KSWO (ABC) and KAUZ (CBS) are planning, but they may be forced to up their DTV signals to full power in response to the NBC and FOX affiliates jumping first.

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Anslem Rayburn
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Source

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(CNN) -- American TV viewers have four extra months to get ready for the day their local stations shut down their analog transmitters, thanks to a delay in the digital TV transition approved by Congress Wednesday.
The government's fund to give people $40 coupons to help buy converters ran out of money in recent weeks.

The government's fund to give people $40 coupons to help buy converters ran out of money in recent weeks.

The House, by a vote of 264 to 158, passed a Senate bill that would reset the death of analog TV to June 12, a measure President Barack Obama is expected to sign.

An estimated 6.5 million homes -- including many elderly, poor and disabled Americans -- would lose TV service after February 17 without the delay, supporters argued.

People who pay for cable or satellite TV service will be unaffected by the change.

The delay was opposed by Republicans who said the government has already given people years to prepare for the switch to digital TV.

"If you don't know this date is coming up, you're probably not watching television," said Rep. Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican. "And if you're not watching television, you probably won't know on February 18 whether it occurred or not."
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The Commerce Department ran out of money last month for its program to help people pay for converter boxes needed to make older TVs receive the new digital signals. There are 3.7 million homes on the waiting list for the $40 coupons, said Rep. Rick Boucher, a Virginia Democrat.

"It's clear that the only way to avoid a massive disruption affecting 5.7 percent of the TV viewing public is to delay the transition and provide the funding to assure that, when it occurs, it occurs smoothly," he said.

Federal Communication Commission acting Chairman Michael Copps said the delay gives the government "an opportunity to do it better."

"The additional four months provided by the law affords urgently needed time for a more phased transition, including a consumer-friendly converter box coupon program, stepped-up consumer outreach and support -- particularly for vulnerable populations -- and dealing with coverage, antenna and reception issues that went too long unaddressed," Copps said.

He had sent a letter to Congress last month "to express our deep concern" that the FCC was "nowhere near" ready for the deadline "to pull the plug on television service in millions of American homes."

The Federal government raked in $20 billion by selling licenses for the frequencies being vacated by local television stations for other commercial uses.

Some of the frequencies were also reserved for emergency agencies to use for communications.

Republicans said the delay would prevent some emergency agencies from using their new communications systems.

Rep. Anthony Weiner, a Democrat from New York, said having a working TV is also important for the safety of those with older sets.

"They are going to lose the most important connection to the outside world and emergency response -- the television," he said.

Opponents noted the new date for the end of analog TV will come just as the hurricane season begins. Forcing conversion in February would be safer, they said.

All local stations will eventually pull the plug on the analog transmitters they've used since the invention of television. The stations have begun digital broadcasts over the past several years.


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Bobby Henderson
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Regardless of this new legislation, local TV stations are not required to keep broadcasting their analog signals until June 12.

As many as 60% of US TV stations are proceeding as originally planned to turn off their analog broadcasts at the end of Feb. 17. An unspecified number of other stations may radically reduce the power of their analog TV broadcast transmissions after Feb. 17 to save money and not put procrastinating viewers entirely in the dark.

I'm hoping all the major network TV stations in my viewing market have full power DTV signals after Feb. 17. The OTA HD broadcast signals are of higher quality than the "HD Lite" versions of them you get via satellite TV service.

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Sam Graham
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Our local plans so far:

WOI (ABC) - Expected to file for Feb 17 transition
KCCI (CBS) - Has filed with FCC to end analog Feb 17
WHO (NBC) - Has filed with FCC to end analog Feb 17
KDIN (PBS) - They're going to transition on the "mandated shutoff date", meaning they'll go with June 12 if that becomes law.
KDSM (FOX) - Has filed with FCC to end analog Feb 17
KCWI (CW) - Previously received extension to August citing "financial hardship".
KFPX (ION) - Nobody cares
KDMI (MY) - Never had analog in the first place.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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All of the Salt Lake City stations are switching over anyway with the FCC's blessing. Apparently the cities in which DTV has made at least X percentage of inroad will more than likely be switching anyway. Imagine those poor Mexican towns that depend on ANALOG TV from places like El-Paso... They'll have nothing... they shoUld all request coupons from the US government! [Big Grin] [Eek!] [Roll Eyes]

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Chris Slycord
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I don't really see why they'd need the "blessing" to stick to the original date. To me, that should be their choice whether someone in the Feds hands out a blessing or not.

If the viewers complain, that's simply something the stations would have to deal with... like any other business decision.

At least with the extension of the official date, we'll have an extension of when the poorer folks can get their coupons.

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Bobby Henderson
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I would not be one bit surprised if our government did send millions of coupons to places like Ciudad Juarez.

A website called rabbitears.info has a fairly up to date list on which TV stations are already prepared to end analog TV broadcasts. The list is here.

According to their list, the ABC station in my market, KSWO-TV channel 7 in Lawton already filed their paperwork with the FCC to cut off analog broadcasts on Feb. 17 and is set to follow through on that plan. None of the other three in the viewing market have done so. However, those three stations in Wichita Falls may drastically cut back the power levels on their analog transmissions to cut electrical costs. Only people living in the immediate Wichita Falls area would get any analog TV reception.

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