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Scott Norwood
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Apparently, the delay was signed into law today.

It appears that the major network stations in the Boston market (WBZ, WCVB, and WHDH) will continue their analog broadcasts until the later date.

One station in this market (WFXT) has been having issues with its analog transmitter since some time in December. Rather than repair it, they have been running it at reduced power since then. I don't know what their plans are with respect to the new cutoff date.

Interestingly, several stations in nearby Providence (where viewers can generally receive most of the Boston stations as well) will be turning off their analog signals next week.

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Joe Redifer
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So how does one find out about their local market? I know one of the stations here is going to ride it out until June, but I have no clue about the others and their website doesn't have any information. I really don't want to e-mail them.

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Sam Graham
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There's a PDF here

The stations in red are also marked "X" in either the PRE 2/17 column or the ON 2/17 column.

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Joe Redifer
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I don't see any red local stations, so that means they're all June fanboys?

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Sam Graham
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Yep. June it is for Denver.

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David Stambaugh
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Heh, well the FCC is challenging a number of stations who want to switch on Feb. 17th to PROVE their market is ready for the change, as well as throwing additional burdens on them.

EDIT: Eugene NBC affiliate KMTR caved to the FCC today. They're now delaying until June. The rest of the local stations will probably be falling in line if they haven't already. And on top of that KMTR is running HD shows in SD tonight and superimposing an FCC-mandated crawl at the top of the image advising everyone of the new date. What a hassle this is for broadcasters who prepared for the drop-dead date of Feb 17th and are ready to go and now they have to change it all up. [Roll Eyes]

story here

You can bet your expired DTV converter box coupons that there are a bunch of full-power TV stations across the United States rushing to meet Federal Communications Commission guidelines for making the analog-to-digital switch early. "Early," of course, now means on or after the old DTV date: Tuesday, February 17. The new Final Day is June 12.

The DTV Delay Act, however, gave the FCC authority to set conditions for letting license holders do the transfer as per the old schedule, more or less. In turn, the Commission has given 368 early birds the green light. But the agency has also told 123 stations that, at this point, "their early termination poses a significant risk of substantial public harm."

Here are the eight requirements that the FCC says these stragglers must fulfill to get a DTV early pass. They've got until Friday the 13th, six pm EST, to file a statement of certification with the Commission that they've met them. In fact, these licenses don't even have to offer some of these services themselves, but they've got to assert that some station in their area will do the job.

At least one nightlight
First, the applicants must show the FCC that, in their Nielsen-defined Designated Market Area (DMA), at least one station will continue to broadcast DTV transition information in analog format for sixty days after February 17, as well as "enhanced nightlight" service: local news and public affairs programming.

But don't confuse this "enhanced nightlight" term with the agency's analog nightlight program, which authorizes stations to continue broadcasting, post DTV hoc, a bare bones message in analog telling stray viewers whose sets still can't pick up digital that they need to get their act together, fast.

Second, this on-air education must include "demonstrations of converter box installations, antenna setups, and other helpful information." Third, it must be broadcast in Spanish and accessible to people with disabilities, providing closed captioning, among other services.

Fourth, the station must show that TV watchers in their signal region will have access to data disclosing areas that could lose coverage thanks to phenomena such as the digital cliff effect (see the last paragraphs of this story). "Such information may include detailed maps," the FCC says, "listings of affected communities, and instructions on how to assess what type of antenna may be necessary to retain or regain the station's digital signal."

Operators standing by
These licenses must also promise to provide viewers with local or toll-free telephone DTV support. "Such assistance," this fifth requirement stipulates, "may be provided jointly with other stations, organizations, and businesses in the area." Sixth, they must offer some kind of consumer "walk in" center to help viewers with set-top converter boxes and demonstrate how they work. They can set this up with others stations or businesses as well.

Seventh, they must show that they are currently and will continue broadcasting DTV-related PSA crawls on their analog signal from February 10 through 17 explaining that the station will drop its analog transmission on February 17. The crawls must be aired five minutes of every hour for the first five days, and 10 minutes of every hour for the final two. They must disclose the FCC's call center number too: 1-888-CALLFCC.

Finally, and rather vaguely, "each station will consider and is encouraged to coordinate with and use community resources to provide consumer outreach and support, including in-home assistance."

Last resort
If some of these signals don't think they can commit to these requirements, they can file a five-page statement explaining why not making the switch on February 17 will result in "extreme economic hardship." But, the FCC warns, it does not anticipate "that many stations will be able to meet the high burden applicable to this showing."

How rigorously will the FCC review these statements of certification? It doesn't look like the agency is going to rush inspectors out to these areas over the weekend to audit them. "Stations certifying to the above conditions are permitted to cease analog operations on February 17, 2009 without further authorization by the Commission," the FCC's Public Notice concludes.

On the other hand, the Commission warns that it will take "appropriate action against stations that certify they will meet the conditions, fail to do so and nevertheless go off the air on February 17, 2009."

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Bobby Henderson
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It only sounds like the FCC is doing some "C.Y.A." theatrics just so the local TV stations who do shut down analog on Feb. 17 can get all of the heat from viewers not ready for the switch.

Apparently the CBS affiliate in my DMA (KAUZ-TV channel 6 in Wichita Falls) is going to wait until June to do their switch. I guess that will let the three other stations set to turn off analog broadcasts in 4 days to do so without any fear of possible (but improbable) FCC wrath.

KAUZ is currently having technical problems with their DTV transmission equipment. Their DTV signal is on channel 22, running at only 200kW -not enough receive over the air here in Lawton (it would be if it was a VHF channel). Over Dish Network, the KAUZ HD channel often just comes in as a solid yellow screen with some occasional glitches of video. The program guide just says "off air." What's funny is Dish Network lit up KAUZ in HD on the E*12 satellite last November. It added the NBC and FOX affiliates in January; the ABC affiliate isn't up there yet.

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Julio Roberto
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All broadcasters here are digital already, as the mandatory analog switch off is only exactly 1 year away for us.

Still, not a single one of them transmits in HD. They are all SD. All over the country. Only 1 or 2 channels have been experimentally shooting out some HD over the air.

There is virtually no market pressure here to go HD. Absoutely all people I've asked think their new digital image looks just fine, "much better than before", and love it. When they see a (quite compressed) HD channel (currently only 2 from satellite) they go: "Huh? That's all there is to HD? My DVD's at home look almost just the same".

Of course their DVD's at home don't look just the same, but what I mean is that people over here don't care squat about their TV and consider current DVB-T and DVD's plenty for their needs. Many don't even have HD tv's, so it's not like they would notice a difference in the source material/delivery anyway.

Heck, the most popular TV product is the phone companie's broadband TV, a pack of several dozens of standard definition channels at ~2.8Mbps AVC encoded received over the phone line by TCP/IP. Some of the channels look like crap (the ones that have gone through too many boxes and some of them were adding gamma changes or colorspace convertion errors). Others, surprisingly good (for standard definition). I have that thing at home (it's only €3 more a month than regular 6Mbit adsl) and the main advantage is that I can record the stuff directly to my home network hard drive.

The image is "anamorhpically" expanded as they are 480x576 ...

It's not even Standard Definition resolution (720x576) !!!

I should add that our standard definition here, in PAL Europe, is (and has always been) a bit better than in the USA, as our TV is (basically) 720x576 25fps, while being only 720x480 at 30fps in the USA. The "closer to cinema" frame rate means all our movies in PAL DVD have nice bandwidth preservation (i.e. not wasted in 30fps 3:2 pulldowns), no motions artifacts (movies are sped up 1fps, rather than manipulated in anyway, increasing temporal resolution from cinema) and 720x576 in resolution (aprox. 20% better "resolution" than NTSC countries like the USA).

So our DVD's, which usually are also anamorphic, have tradionally looked really good. So now the change to (crappy-over-the-air) HD doesn't really impress people a lot. Not as much as when you move from (inferior) NTSC to HD, certainly. A lot of people here have widescreen analog standard definition 16:9 TV's (crt's) that were in fashion far before digital started as many satellite transmissions were 16:9 (anamorphic standard-def).

So virtually "no HD" for us in Spain. Except on blu-ray, of course. Standard definition digital PAL deemed enough to watch Big Brother by Joe Sixpack by Joe's own popular demand.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote:
"each station will consider and is encouraged to coordinate with and use community resources to provide consumer outreach and support, including in-home assistance."
That right there tells you the government is involved. There are probably millions of little old ladies and men who would be more than happy to have someone from the t-v station come out and show them how to turn their set on, change the channel etc. Back when I sold TVs, we had a lady who insisted on getting the top of the line set (which had very complex controls) and then just about drove us crazy with post-sale "service calls" because she couldn't get it turned on or off.

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Jesse Skeen
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I'm going to call for some in-home assistance in getting the constant network logos off my screen! [Wink]

(I'd STILL rather they go back to black-and-white with a clean screen and less than 10 minutes of commercials per hour than hi-def with on-screen crap and 18 minutes of commercials every hour!)

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Bobby Henderson
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I'm going to be glad once this "DTV transition" is finished for the stations going all-digital in just a couple of days.

The freaking FCC has the TV stations forced to run these very irritating, long winded crawls constantly. It seems like they're popping up every 10 minutes! Assholes.

My brother, who lives in Atlanta, is currently in Daytona Beach, FL watching the Daytona 500 live. He asked me to record the race in HD on my DVR. The race is actually pretty cool to watch in high definition. You get an even better sense how fast these cars are moving. However, it's excruciatingly irritating with how damned often those DTV warning crawls keep popping up. What's worse, the TV station dumps the HD picture down to ass-tastic shit-vision SD every time they run the crawl. Once the crawl is done it takes the doofus at master control at least a minute or two to hit some buttons to enable the HD image again.
[Mad]

They sure don't run the DTV warning crawl over any commercials. Just let the SD crawl stomp on the show.
[Roll Eyes]

Because this warning crawl nonsense is so distracting, I may watch the next episode of 24 on Hulu or something rather than put up with that stupid crawl playing 857 times during the Monday evening broadcast.

Anyone in my Nielsen DMA who doesn't get the whole "gotta get a converter box" thing after Tuesday needs a slap across the kisser and booked into a remedial "I don't know how to fucking read or comprehend anything" reading class. Ugh.

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Joe Tommassello
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Maybe they should designate one station in each area to play a visual and audible announcement for two weeks after the transition..."If you are seeing this message call..." Not that we should need it. I agree anyone not aware of this yet is living under a rock.

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Mark J. Marshall
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Throw the switch. Full steam ahead. Clean up the mess later. It'll be cheaper that way rather than sitting here talking about it and holding endless committee meetings to try to figure out how many people know and don't know whatever it is they're supposed to know or not know or whatever.

We still have radios, right? And they still work? And newspapers work? And telephones?

I think word will get around to the folks who for whatever reason haven't figured it out yet, and we'll be able to get them working in due course.

Just do it already.

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James Westbrook
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"Hey...did something happen to the TV's today? None of the stations seem to be on the air."

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Bobby Henderson
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Wait until 11:59pm tonight.

Don't know about the Lubbock DMA, but 3 stations in my viewing market are ending analog in a little under 15 hours from now (as of this writing).

Time published an article yesterday stating 600 TV stations were ending analog broadcasts at the end of this day.

There's one obviously good element to the select number of TV stations ending analog as previously scheduled: it should make the folks who have been procrastinating take this issue seriously. If they're suddenly missing a couple or so TV stations after midnight tonight they'll be motivated to act now or very soon rather than merely drag their feet until the days leading up to June 12, hoping for yet another damned government delay.

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