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Lyle Romer
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quote: Kenneth Wuepper
You are one of those brave circus performers that fly without a net.
Not really, I'm only talking about snipes that advertise a particular sound system.

Having ONLY the special track on those snipes would prevent the false advertising in a somewhat foolproof manner.

Even back on Jurassic Park, many people would comment on how awesome the DTS was when they saw the film in Dolby Stereo since the DTS snipe was on all prints (with analog audio). You were supposed to cut them off I guess but I know of sister GCC theatres that had prints interlocked with 1 DTS and 2 or 3 Dolby Stereo (or even mono) auditoriums. They'd leave the snipe on there for the DTS auditorium.

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I like the Brand Lock-up 1 because it doesn't de-emphasize the Atmos brand for the Dolby brand. The horizontal aspect would work on print pieces and credits equally.

Alternatives #8 and 9 are the best of the bunch in my opinion, simply because it puts the Atmos brand in the forefront. The Dolby Double-D is there so people familiar with that mark will make the association. In reality, though, Atmos is the brand that should be put out there in front of people. It's short, to the point, and it emphasizes that particular product as opposed the company behind it. If they didn't want to lose the Dolby wording altogether, they could do "by Dolby" underneath it in a secondary/minimized placement.

Personally, I've never liked the "In Selected Theatres" phrase, as it immediately places a question in the viewers mind as to whether what they're seeing actually applies. It blunts the message as soon as it's delivered.

At the very least, the wording could be changed ever so slightly to "In Select Theaters" which implies a position or rank of sorts, as opposed to someone selecting which theaters get it. If you want to be one of those "Select" theaters, pull out your wallet and start installing some speakers!

On the subject of Atmos installations, Marcus Theatres last week announced their first Atmos installation will be at a new location they are building near Madison, WI. Most recently, a new UltraScreen in Gurnee, IL was opened with an Auro 11.1 sound system.

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"Selected by the size of the check"

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Marcus has already installed ATMOS in the UltraScreen unit of Crosswoods in Central Ohio.

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quote: Lyle Romer
They can make the snipes without a standard LPCM soundtrack and have the DCPs only contain the Atmos soundtrack. Better yet, have the LPCM track have a voice saying "This auditorium is not equipped with Dolby Atmos. If it is equipped, the Atmos soundtrack is not playing properly, please alert the theater manager."

I always thought that the 35mm digital sound snipes should not have contained an analog soundtrack.

I've voiced my strong opinion on this exact same concept years ago. Unfortunately the inferior tracks remain and still do today.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Lyle Romer
They can make the snipes without a standard LPCM soundtrack and have the DCPs only contain the Atmos soundtrack. Better yet, have the LPCM track have a voice saying "This auditorium is not equipped with Dolby Atmos. If it is equipped, the Atmos soundtrack is not playing properly, please alert the theater manager."
The auditorium Terry visited is equipped with Atmos. The problem is they've been playing the Atmos snipe in front of movies that aren't mixed in Atmos, such as Lone Survivor. The 90's equivalent of this would be attaching a Dolby Digital trailer to a movie with only an analog sound mix.

If I read Dolby's white paper about Atmos correctly, a DCP with Atmos gets separate KDMs generated for the LPCM and Atmos versions. That separate KDM could be one way to control the playback of those Atmos sound format trailers. But then an Atmos equipped theater probably already has other copies of the same trailers that can be dropped into any playlist without being restricted by a specific KDM.

quote: Lyle Romer
I always thought that the 35mm digital sound snipes should not have contained an analog soundtrack.
I'm just imagining how much more awful a worn-out SDDS sound format trailer would sound dropping in and out of silence rather than falling back to the SR track.

quote: Lyle Romer
Even back on Jurassic Park, many people would comment on how awesome the DTS was when they saw the film in Dolby Stereo since the DTS snipe was on all prints (with analog audio). You were supposed to cut them off I guess but I know of sister GCC theatres that had prints interlocked with 1 DTS and 2 or 3 Dolby Stereo (or even mono) auditoriums. They'd leave the snipe on there for the DTS auditorium.
I saw the same thing a few times from the Summer of 1993 to Spring of 1994. Lots of analog-only theaters were playing The Digital Experience trailer despite not being equipped with DTS. Here in Lawton I saw the UA Cache 8 theater do that. And even the Vaska dollar theater did it too. DTS trailers were attached on all release prints of movies featuring DTS time code until DTS released its longer "standalone" trailer in May of 1994. Was The Crow the first movie that used it? Speed was the first movie I saw that trailer used.

quote: Mark Lensenmayer
Marcus has already installed ATMOS in the UltraScreen unit of Crosswoods in Central Ohio.
Marcus also has Atmos at their UltraScreen DLX 21 location in Addison, IL

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Bobby Henderson
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Here's a list of movies released in North America with Dolby Atmos.

US Releases with Dolby Atmos

2014
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Fox, 7-18
X-Men: Days of Future Past, Fox, 5-23
Rio 2, Fox, 4-11
300: Rise of an Empire, Warner Bros., 3-7
Mr. Peabody and Sherman, Fox, 3-7
I, Frankenstein, Lionsgate, 1-24

2013
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty, Fox, 12-25
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug, WB/New Line, 12-13
Frozen, Disney, 11-27
The Hunger Games: Catching Fire, Lionsgate, 11-22
Thor: The Dark World, Marvel/Disney, 11-8
Ender's Game, Summit Entertainment, 11-1
Metallica: Through the Never, Picturehouse Entertainment, 10-4
Gravity, Warner Bros., 10-4
Insidious: Chapter 2, FilmDistrict, 9-13
Elysium, TriStar, 8-9
Planes, Disney, 8-9
Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters, Fox, 8-7
The Wolverine, Fox, 7-26
Turbo, Dreamworks, 7-17
Pacific Rim, Warner Bros., 7-12
The Heat, Fox, 6-28
Monsters University, Disney/Pixar, 6-21
Man of Steel, Warner Bros., 6-14
Epic, Fox, 5-24
Star Trek into Darkness, Paramount, 5-17
Iron Man, Paramount/Marvel/Disney 5-3
Oblivion, Universal, 4-19
Trance, Pathe/Fox, 4-5
G.I. Joe: Retaliation, Paramount, 3-29
The Croods, Dreamworks, 3-22
Oz the Great and Powerful, Disney, 3-8
A Good Day to Die Hard, Fox, 2-14
Mama, Universal, 1-18

2012
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, WB/New Line, 12-14
Rise of the Guardians, Dreamworks, 11-21
Life of Pi, Fox, 11-21
Chasing Mavericks, Fox, 10-26
Taken 2, Fox, 10-5
Brave, Disney, 6-22

One thing I think is kind of odd is how there's only a few future Atmos releases in the pipeline. Maybe the studios are taking their time making the official announcements. There's a few Summer releases not already on the Atmos list that I think would be safe bets to have Atmos, such as Godzilla or Maleficent. But who knows?

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quote: Bobby Henderson
other copies of the same trailers that can be dropped into any playlist without being restricted by a specific KDM.
Dolby could easily date-expire the existing Atmos trailer so even if the theatre has a copy it will not work. The technology is now available with digital distribution so Dolby could get it done.

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quote: Mark LensenmayerMarcus has already installed ATMOS in the UltraScreen unit of Crosswoods in Central Ohio.

Marcus also has Atmos at their UltraScreen DLX 21 location in Addison, IL

Somehow, I missed that press release back in December. Thanks for letting me know -- I have made a note of that for those two theaters, and I'll have to edit the article I wrote about the new Madison location as well.

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I put together this list based on Dolby's own Atmos-equipped theaters map. There's about 120 locations. Unfortunately it doesn't break down how many screens are equipped with Atmos at each location. I've made note of multiple Atmos screens where I knew for sure 2 or more Atmos systems were installed.

Dolby Atmos Theaters in US & Canada - Jan 2014

United States

Alaska
Anchorage, AK - Regal Tikahtnu Stadium 16 IMAX & RPX

Arizona
Scottsdale, AZ - Harkins Scottsdale 101 14 (Cine Capri)
Tempe, AZ - Harkins Tempe Marketplace 16 (Cine Capri)

California
Agoura Hills, CA - Regency Agoura Hills Stadium 8
Buena Park, CA - Krikorian Park Metroplex 18
Burbank, CA - AMC Burbank 16 (ETX)
La Jolla, CA - ArcLight La Jolla
Corona, CA - Edwards Corona Crossings Stadium 18 & RPX
Dublin, CA - Regal Hacienda Crossings Stadium 20 IMAX & RPX
Folsom, CA - Cinema West Palladio 16 Cinemas (THX/Atmos on 4 Screens)
Fremont, CA - Cinemark Century at Pacific Commons and XD
Hollywood, CA - Disney El Capitan
Irvine, CA - Edwards Irvine Spectrum Stadium 21 IMAX & RPX
Los Angeles, CA - AMC Century City 15 (ETX)
Ontario, CA - AMC Ontario Mills 30 (ETX)
Orange, CA - AMC Orange 30 (ETX)
Pittsburg, CA - Maya Cinemas Century Plaza 16
Monrovia, CA - Krikorian Monrovia Cinema 12
Sacramento, CA - Regal Natomas Marketplace Stadium 16 & RPX
San Bernardino, CA - Regal San Bernardino Stadium 14 & RPX
San Diego, CA - Edwards Mira Mesa Stadium 18 IMAX & RPX
Santa Maria, CA - Edwards Santa Maria Stadium 14 & RPX
San Francisco, CA - AMC Metreon 16 (ETX)
San Francisco, CA - AMC Van Ness 14
San Francisco, CA - Cinemark Century San Francisco Centre 9 and XD
Sherman Oaks, CA - ArcLight Sherman Oaks
St Helena, CA - Cameo Cinema
Vista, CA - Krikorian Vista Village Metroplex 15

Colorado
Broomfield, CO - AMC Flatiron Crossing 14 (ETX)
Denver, CO - Harkins Northfield 18 (Cine Capri)
Denver, CO - Regal Continental Stadium 10 & RPX

Delaware
Middletown, DE - Westown Mall Cinemas (GTX)

Florida
Delray Beach, FL - Frank Theatres Marketplace 12 IMAX and FDX
Orlando, FL - AMC Downtown Disney 24 (ETX)
Pinellas Park, FL - Regal Park Place Stadium 16 & RPX
Miami, FL - AMC Aventura 24 (ETX)

Georgia
Acworth, GA - NCG Acworth Cinemas (Xtreme)
Alpharetta, GA - AMC North Point Mall 12 (Prime)
Atlanta, GA - Regal Atlantic Station Stadium 18 IMAX & RPX

Hawaii
Honolulu, HI - Consolidated Theatres Ward Stadium 16 (Titan XC)

Idaho
Meridian, ID - Cinema West Village at Meridian Cinema 15 (2 Screens)

Illinois
Addison, IL - Marcus Addison UltraScreen DLX 21
Champaign, IL - Carmike 13 (Big D)
Chicago, IL - ShowPlace ICON at Roosevelt Collection with ICON•X
Chicago, IL - AMC Randhurst 12 (ETX)
Chicago, IL - Regal City North Stadium 14 IMAX & RPX
Warrenville, IL - Regal Cantera Stadium 17 & RPX
Yorkville, IL - NCG Cinemas Yorkville (Xtreme)

Indiana
Noblesville, IN - Hamilton 16 IMAX

Iowa
Muscatine, IA - Fridley Palms 10 Theatre (XL Digital)

Louisiana
Kenner, LA - The Grand Esplanade 14
Alexandria, LA - The Grand 16

Massachusetts
Boston, MA - Regal Fenway Stadium 13 & RPX
Revere, MA - Showcase Cinema De Lux Revere
Millbury, MA - Showcase Blackstone Valley 14

Michigan
Canton, MI - Emagine Canton (E3)
Novi, MI - Emagine Novi (E3)
Royal Oak, MI - Emagine Royal Oak (E3)
Saginaw, MI - Goodrich Quality 10 (GDX) (3 Screens)

Minnesota
St. Louis Park, MN - ShowPlace ICON at West End with ICON•X

Missouri
Kansas City, MO - AMC Barrywoods 24 (Prime)

Nevada
Las Vegas, NV - Brenden Theatres and IMAX At The Palms
North Las Vegas, NV - Galaxy Theatres North Las Vegas Cannery (DFX)

New Hampshire

New Jersey
Paramus, NJ - AMC Garden State 16 (ETX)
Edgewater, NJ - Showcase Edgewater Multiplex 16 (XPlus)

New Mexico
Farmington, NM - Allen Animas 10
Las Cruces, NM - Allen Cineport 10 (2 Screens)
Las Cruces, NM - Allen Telshor Cinema 12
Roswell, NM - Allen Galaxy 8

New York
Brooklyn, NY - UA Court Street Stadium 12 & RPX
Long Island, NY - UA Kaufman Astoria Stadium 14 & RPX
New York, NY - AMC Empire 25
New York, NY - AMC Loews Lincoln Square 13
New York, NY - Regal E-Walk Stadium 13 & RPX

North Carolina

North Dakota
Bismarck, ND - Grand Theatres Grand 15

Ohio
Columbus, OH - Marcus Crosswoods UltraScreen DLX 17

Oklahoma
Oklahoma City, OK - Harkins Bricktown 16 (Cine Capri)

Pennsylvania
Johnstown, PA - Richland Cinemas

Tennessee
Knoxville, TN - Regal Pinnacle Stadium 18 IMAX & RPX
Memphis, TN - Malco Paradiso

Texas
Dallas, TX - LOOK Cinemas (Evolution, 2 Screens)
Dallas, TX - AMC Northpark 15 (ETX)
Humble, TX - AMC Deerbrook 24 (Prime)
Midland, TX - Cinergy Cinemas Midland (EPIC)
Richmond, TX - Santikos Palladium AVX (AVX MAX, 4 Screens)
Plano, TX - Cinemark West Plano and XD
San Antonio, TX - Santikos Palladium IMAX (AVX)
Southlake, TX - Harkins Southlake 14 (Cine Capri)
Tomball, TX - Santikos Silverado IMAX (AVX)
Waxahachie, TX - Showbiz Cinemas 12 (SDX)

Utah
West Valley City, UT - Megaplex West Valley Fair Mall (2 Screens)

Vermont

Virginia
Alexandria, VA - Regal Kingstowne Stadium 16 & RPX
McLean, VA - AMC Tysons Corner 16 (ETX)

Washington
Vancouver, WA - Cinetopia Vancouver Mall 23 (GXL)
Bellingham, WA - Regal Barkley Village Stadium 16 IMAX & RPX
Everett, WA - Regal Everett Stadium 16 & RPX
Lakewood, WA - Regal Lakewood Stadium 15 & RPX
Lynnwood, WA - AMC Loews Alderwood Mall 16 (ETX)
Renton, WA - Regal The Landing Stadium 14 & RPX

Canada
Calgary, AB - Cineplex Scotiabank Theatre Chinook 16 + IMAX
Vancouver, BC - Cineplex Scotiabank Theatre Vancouver
Winnipeg, MB - Cineplex Silvercity St Vital
Hamilton, ON - Cineplex SilverCity Hamilton Mountain Cinemas
Guelph, ON - Cineplex Galaxy Pergola Commons
London, ON - Cineplex Odeon Westmount and VIP Cinemas
Milton, ON - Cineplex Galaxy Cinemas Milton
Niagara Falls, ON - Cineplex Odeon Niagara Square Cinemas
Oakville, ON - Cineplex Odeon Winston Churchill Cinemas
Oakville, ON - Cineplex SilverCity Oakville and VIP Cinemas
Oshawa, ON - Cineplex Odeon Oshawa Cinemas
Toronto, ON - Cineplex Odeon Yonge & Dundas Cinemas
Toronto, ON - SilverCity Yonge-Eglinton Cinemas
Sarnia, ON - Cineplex Galaxy Cinemas Sarnia
Montreal, QC - Cineplex Odeon Forum Cinemas
Quebec City, QC - Cineplex Beauport Cinemas 16
Regina, SK - Cineplex Galaxy Cinemas Regina

Mexico
Mexico City - Cinemex Antara
Mexico City - Cinemex Santa Fe 14
Mexico City - Cinépolis Fórum Buenavista

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This is the best marketing I have seen yet for Atmos

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Looks primarily like a survey page to me. There's nothing else there unique. The rest of the content is duplicated at Dolby's web site and their primary Facebook page. Some of it is duplicated on their Atmos-specific Facebook page.

The survey idea is not without merit. It sounds like Dolby wants to use the results as a tool to lobby movie theater companies to install Atmos in certain markets. I humored the page and filled out its requests. Carmike Cinemas is going to build a new multiplex here in Lawton soon -12 standard priced screens plus a giant screen house, likely one of their "Big D" branded theaters. I don't expect them to put an IMAX-branded theater in Lawton. If they go the Big D route there's a very slim chance Dolby Atmos would be installed. Right now I think Carmike is leaning toward using Auro 11.1 even though movie title support for Auro is frankly pretty terrible.

It is kind of handy for that "I want Dolby Atmos" web page to have a theater search function. However it defaults to a mere 20 mile radius from the viewer's zip code. It would be nice if there was a user-selectable distance.

I wish Dolby was more on the ball with updating its schedule of Dolby Atmos releases. I know for sure The Amazing Spiderman 2 will have an Atmos mix (and Auro 11.1 mix too). New movie poster artwork for Captain America: The Winter Soldier confirms it will have a Dolby Atmos mix. Godzilla and Transformers: Age of Extinction will both likely have Atmos mixes since some online articles covering the sound design of both mentioned their mixes being tailored for Atmos.

Several other movies set for release between March and June are likely to have Dolby Atmos mixes. I think Dolby would only be helping themselves sell more Atmos systems if they could get the word out about upcoming Atmos supported movies as soon as possible.

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quote: Bobby Henderson
I think Dolby would only be helping themselves sell more Atmos systems if they could get the word out about upcoming Atmos supported movies as soon as possible.
Dolby should do some kind of co-op program where if they're dealing with the studio/distributor (since most move display advertising is placed by the distributor, not the theater), the studio gets a break on licensing fees if they include Atmos designations for individual theaters. If they're dealing with the theatre, the theatre gets some kind of credits (or cash) that would be good for service or equipment or promo material or something.

What's the point of having a great sound system if no one knows it's there?

This was a big problem for THX in those days as well. The few NYC theaters that were THX equipped never advertised the fact in movie ads. However, when I used to visit Los Angeles, they all did.

I went to a theatre some months back, bought a ticket and then realized that the film was playing in Atmos on the RPX screen. So I went to the service desk to switch to the different screen/show and I told them why. The manager said, "oh, it's not playing in Atmos." I said, "the film is in Atmos and that's an Atmos screen. Are you telling me you didn't get the Atmos DCP?" I bought a ticket for that screen anyway. It was in Atmos and they played the Atmos snipe. So even the theaters don't know what they're doing.

The fact is that in markets where either one chain dominates or where one chain has an exclusive on the film, they don't care where you see the film (with the exception that if they can get you into the "special" screens (RPX, ETX, Lie-Max, etc), they can charge you more. So with that exception, the theaters don't really have an incentive to push special sound formats if they don't think it drives revenue. Of course, then you can ask why they bothered to install it in the first place.

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quote: Martin Brooks
theaters don't really have an incentive to push special sound formats if they don't think it drives revenue. Of course, then you can ask why they bothered to install it in the first place.
That's just crazy. Probably the #1 compliment about our place that we get is about the sound. We play the Dolby tag before every single movie and we even have a page on our website about our sound system. I can't imagine why, if a cinema has good sound, they wouldn't shout it from the rooftops. It's one of the solid things we have over the home market...the "size" of the sound.

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It's simply split responsibility. A typical chain issue. Someone up there decides that ATMOS is the next thing and great for marketing and to leave the local competition behind. The local white collar running the plex gives a shit. 'ATMOS what? I've seen a lot of this stuff come and go. Shove it into screen, err... 3! I'll look about it later.' This wouldn't happen on small family run operations.

And I think it's the same at Dolby with ATMOS marketing. Talented engineers. But the former coke selling new exec thinks Dolby Vision is the next big thing, because cinema is SOOO old style and this new pinky flashy 80inch flat screen SOOO cool. Ray Dolby is truly dead.

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