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Bill Gabel
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As Mike said,
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it would be much easier/safer to set up a special screening for the prez than to try to out him into a regular scheduled show.
Many studios will set up a special screening for critics, actors, directors and other noted figures at screening rooms.
Because it is easier to fit into these peoples busy schedules.
I handle many private shows for talent here in NYC. I'm just finishing my third screening of the "Passion.." for New York Television and print media critics today. And there is about 4-5 News crews sitting outside of the building.

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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Ok. The reviews are pouring in. As expected, whether they are positive or negative, they seem to have much admiration for the film.

Wednesday's numbers will shatter several things. Waiting to count on all of it.

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Do we know the terms on this film? Is it like any other? It sounds like Mel is paying for P&A as well as having financed production. One article says that Newmarket is getting 10% for handling the bookings.

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Jonathan M. Crist
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In my area of Central Pennsylvania it is a minimum 4 week deal with the standard 70/60/50/40 percentages. The kicker is that all of the Mon (02/23) and Tues (2/24) or other such advance special shows held before Wed 02/25 are to be added in and reported as part of the opening day gross (therefore payment at 70%) but what in effect you really get is a nine-day first week.

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Steve Kraus
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Or an 11 day week? What I mean is when a film opens on a Wednesday do the weeks become Wednesday to Tuesday for the length of the run? I would think the first "week" would be Wednesday through Thursday of the following week and then the rest of the weeks Friday to Thursday, to make things simple and more comparable to other films. So a Wednesday start would be a 9 day first week and this special situation maybe 11?

Or not?

Your 70/60/50/40, is that against 90/10 of gross minus negotiated nut, whichever is greater?

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Mike Spaeth
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No ... all film rental is paid based on 7-day periods ... If a picture opens on Wednesday, then each new week starts on Wednesday.

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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The number of theatres playing this film has been further upped to 3006 for the Feb.25. The Feb.22 revision came to 2800 theatres from initially announced 2000.

So reports Boxofficemojo.com and New York Post.

Quote from New York Post :
"The Passion" debuts in more than two dozen city theaters and 3,006 nationwide today, Ash Wednesday, after two days of preview screenings for church groups - and months of controversy over its extreme violence and questions about whether it could feed anti-Semitism

Link : "The Passion" debuts in 3,006 nationwide today, Ash Wednesday,

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Jonathan M. Crist
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Steve - To answer your questions in the order asked:

1) The box-office is to be reported as a seven day week (Wed thru the following Tues) which is the same as any movie which starts on mid week schedule. The only difference with POTC is that the opening Wed figure is to include all advance screening extra showings.

2) I did not look closely but I don't believe that Newmarket had a 90/10 clause. If any deal includes a 90/10, then it is always the higher of the percentage for the given week or the 90/10 calculation for that week.

3) When there is a 90/10, the "overhead figure" (which is the amount deducted before the 90/10 calculation is made) is anything but negotiated. Dictated by the distributors would be a better description. Each distributor sets its own figures for a particular venue and/or auditorium in that venue. For newer builds it tends to be so much a seat (usually a range of $15 to 18). But in my experience the overhead for any particular venue often seems to be picked out of thin air and bears little or no relation to actual operating costs.

What makes things even more unfair is that some studios do not uniformly apply the use of 90/10's. Studios may put 90/10's in for some areas or theatres while not including it (for the same picture) in other areas or competing theatres.

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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The opening day estimates are just in. Daily Variety quotes Newmarket's Bob Berney as saying that with only 857 theatres reporting up until the matinee, the grosses were 7 million. Taking the same as the basis, the report quotes his estimate of an opening bow at 20 million.

I dont quite agree. Figures for Wedenesday alone will clock around 25 million. Add another 10 million in advance ticket sales and 3 million in Church group sales (I wonder if both these are accurate - these could also be revised) : there is a cumulative of 38 million.

So, will the next four days earn in another 62 million ? It is anybodys' answer. It will perfectly breach the 100 million mark by Sunday night.

Link to Variety article :
Devout auds drive stunning $20 million bow

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Posted: Wed., Feb. 25, 2004, 6:30pm PT

'Passion' ka-ching
Devout auds drive stunning $20 million bow

By GABRIEL SNYDER

This article was updated at 7:35 p.m.
And on the first day, "The Passion of the Christ" became a blockbuster.

After days of dominating national headlines and cable news nets, auds flocked to see Mel Gibson's depiction of the crucifixion on Ash Wednesday, ringing up huge numbers at the box office.

Bob Berney, prexy of Newmarket Films, which is distributing "Passion" for Gibson's Icon Prods., estimated that the film would post an opening day gross of around $20 million.

Mid-day Wednesday, he said, "We're well over $7 million on the matinees alone and that's just 857 theaters reporting."

"Passion" bowed at 3,006 locations, with the pic playing on more than 4,600 screens.

"It's obviously happening -- bigtime," said Icon chairman Bruce Davey. "In some ways it's not surprising. All the controversy surrounding the film has only piqued interest."

Neither exec would make a projection of how much "Passion" would pick up through its first five days of release, but consensus estimates across the industry run north of $50 million, with some reaching past $70 million.

"Passion" looks to be well within striking distance of the record for the best opening day for a pic released outside the May-August summer span and November-December holiday season. Current title is held by "Hannibal," which rang up $19.8 million when it bowed on Feb. 9, 2001, a Friday.

Crossing that benchmark would rank "Passion" among Hollywood's biggest Wednesday openers.

The far-and-away Wednesday box office leader is "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King," which posted $34.1 million for its opening day this past December.

Second on that list is "Stars Wars: Episode I -- The Phantom Menace," which posted $28.5 million on its opening Wednesday in 1999.

More recently, "The Matrix Revolutions," the third installment in the trilogy, bowed mid-week last November with $24.3 million.

Church groups had been snapping up blocks of "Passion" advance tickets for weeks. Exhibs held shows for groups willing to buy out entire auditoriums Monday and Tuesday nights.

A tally of the gross from those shows is not complete, but Berney estimated they repped $3 million worth of biz. The final number will be rolled into the report for Wednesday, the pic's official release date. Other advance ticket sales for the first few days of release stand at $10 million.

Exhibs reported "Passion" was doing plenty of walk-up biz as well.

Reps for Regal and AMC, the nation's first and second largest exhib chains, said matinees had been selling out across the country -- unusual for pics that unspool on a weekday.

"We've had a number of sellouts with our matinees throughout the country," said Russ Nunley, Regal marketing and communications director.

AMC senior veep Rick King said, "Matinee business was very solid and signs point to a busy night at the theater tonight. It's definitely going to be a big opening week."

He added aud interest extended beyond the Bible Belt. "We're seeing fairly strong sales in the South and Midwest, but we've also had heavy business at our Times Square location."

Berney said that theater, AMC Empire 25, where "Passion" is playing on three screens, had reported $39,000 tickets sold for matinees Wednesday and group sale shows Monday and Tuesday.

"From the small towns to Manhattan, it's a broad response," Berney said.

"Passion" is benefiting from curiosity seekers in its first week of release, but exhibs see signs it could continue to play well, as church group interest will likely remain strong through Easter, April 11.

Both AMC and Regal say their group sales departments are still busy selling blocks for religious groups for next week and beyond.

Newmarket set so-called firm terms on its box office split with exhibitors in advance of theaters' rolling out "Passion." But exhibition insiders say it's unlikely the specialty distributor will actually see anything like the split it had arranged on paper.

That's because smaller distribs lack true enforcement clout when theater owners go delinquent on film rentals. Industryites still talk about how IFC Films, where Berney was the senior VP who engineered the huge success of "My Big Fat Greek Wedding," was eventually forced to accept partial payments from some exhibs on that surprise hit.

About half the major studios negotiate firm terms in advance of a pic's release. The rest wait until the end of any theatrical run to discuss a B.O. split with exhibs. Studios with firm-term agreements keep exhibs honest by threatening to withhold future film releases from circuits that go delinquent -- something few theaters owners ever dare to do with major distribs as a result.

But for specialty distribs like Newmarket or IFC, so few of their art films ever cross over into commercial venues that a threat to withhold future movies would ring hollow.

Whatever its prospects of collecting on the terms, Newmarket has apparently struck firm-term pacts with various exhibs calling for a 70% share for the distrib in the first week of the "Passion" run, 60% the second week and smaller percentages in subsequent weeks.

The movie's opening dominated Wednesday's cable news airwaves, earning as much attention as the real war being waged on the Biblical turf of Iraq. In the scramble, even the 2004 presidential race was shoved aside.

Cable news net anchors hustled to pump up the passion, sending bookers on the hunt for Hollywood insiders, Christian clergy, Jewish leaders, media pundits and moviegoers. There were viewer polls and viewer call-ins. There were also clips from the movie -- and not the least violent ones either -- played again and again by Fox News, CNN and MSNBC.

Running out of angles, some cable news hosts resorted to reporting on the media attention itself.

CNN's Anderson Cooper mused aloud on his eponymous show -- "Why does Hollywood always portray Jesus as a good-looking white guy?"

(Carl DiOrio and Anthony D'Alessandro in Los Angeles and Pamela McClintock in New York contributed to this report.)

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Mike Blakesley
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Interesting part in that article about chains not honoring terms and smaller film companies having to accept partial payments, which supposedly happened on "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."

That really burns my rope. Any chain that doesn't honor its agreed upon terms deserves to go right back into bankruptcy.

Can you imagine the firestorm of negative publicity that would happen if something similar happened on this movie? It would be the biggest bomb in the theatre biz since the popcorn-fat scare a few years ago.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Reports this morning are between 15 and 20 million, I think 38 million for Wednesday is somewhat reaching.

Maybe if you count all the popcorn Ian sold you'd get 38 mln. [Smile]

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Kamakshipalya Dhananjay
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38 Million not for Wednesday alone. A 25 for Wednesday and 10 for Advance sales and 3 for Church group bookings.

Even according to Newmarket films, the grosses till Wednesday would be (20+10+3) = 33 Million. Unless, it is forbidden to include previews and advance shows as part of opening weekend.

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So far it's over 20 million with many numbers still not in or tabulated. Projections assume it will top ROTK's Wednsday all time record. Pretty good for an independant film(strike one against it for such numbers) and for a biblical film (strike two and three against it. lol)

Mel has said other biblical stories could use the celluloid treatment so with this one already looking like it will be a total blockbuster, he will have the money to do it. Which thrills me and probably makes some cringe.

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Rentrack reported $22.5M

Location Average $10,408

Our Take $5,486 which ain't bad for a 260-seat house and 4-showings. Percap yesterday was $1.95 which is 20-cents higher than normal for us.

Oh by the way, we made a couple of thousand dollars on our other 9-titles yesterday. Heck of a way to make a living. [Wink]

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Now you can afford the giant backlit fiberglass Ian-head for your marquee, as depicted, and watch your grosses really take off.

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