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Author Topic: More junk for sale on Ebay Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 05-29-2007 11:43 AM                     Hmm Pirates did like $14 million its first night... not a bad chunk of change Frank! As for the seller, he's totally legit and very lucky... I believe he's in Ohio and has a business of emptying out theaters etc, and finds some rare treasures now and then.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-30-2007 01:38 AM                     ...and on Safety film as well ....  |  IP: Logged Christos Mitsakis Expert Film Handler Posts: 242 From: Ag.Paraskevi, ATHENS, GREECE Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-02-2007 12:42 PM                     Vintage Kinotron Kintex Cinema Sound System  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2007 02:08 PM                     You mean Kintek... Absolute crap excepting the stereophonizer. With out a doubt some of the most unreliable stuff ever built and eventually Kintek disentegrated because their products were so poorly built. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-02-2007 02:43 PM                     Actually I disagree so much as to state that Mark is downright WRONG on this. Kintek had SOME crap and the StereoPhoneyizer was probably the worst module of what was in the package. The original "3-box" system was rather reliable and impressive...in fact I don't know if I had any that ever failed in these parts. The KT-21 (aka 3BX) did exactly what it needed to do and in the right hands could clean up a mono print very well and add dynamics. The KT-24 which had a surround generator as well as the sub-harmonic synth was again right on the money. Kintek did better than what all other psudostereo companies never really quite got right which is to properly detect dialog vs. non-dialog. In fact, the KT-22 used the KT-24 to stear the audio between Center and Left/Right. When the KT-24 said there was dialog, the KT-22 would boost Center/Duck Left/Right and vice versa for non-dialog. In this way, combined with the comb filters in the KT-22 a more credible 3-channel system was created. The sub-harmonic bass again did it right...it looked at the frequencies that were available on a mono track, recreated them down where they weren't or in danger of being modulated by the shutters of the optical recorder. I'd take either the yellow box or the black box separates even today for a theatre that will play old or worn films with modern theatre acoustics. Now the KT700 and beyond...that is another story (or ANY of their amplifiers). They all were indeed not reliable enough or down right crap for my liking. The KT-700 was okay but a mere shadow of the 3-box system for psudostereo. I wouldn't use it for stereo films or have it be a main part of a system. Steve  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 06-02-2007 02:55 PM                        Still......reprocessed mono is reprocessed mono.....somewhat useful before SVA. Louis  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2007 03:46 PM                     I always like the way Steve says I'm just plain wrong.... I guess myself always being wrong is why I've stayed in this buisness sucessfully for 26 years. quote: Steve Guttag In this way, combined with the comb filters in the KT-22 a more credible 3-channel system was created. Well, first off there can be no credible extra channels created from a mono sound source. Only pseudo channels can be created and they are in no way credible at all. All you get is a fuller sound from the extra two speakers brought into play... or should we say... a wide mono B chain. Kintek died a well deserved death and for a very good reason... all the products they produced were built like crap. I agree with what Louis said and also reprocessed mono is not what the Director intended when he did the mix. This is also a pet peave of mine during supposed film restorations of old material that get the tracks reprocessed... What you end up with is not the original but a completely different version that was not intended by those that created the film! And definately not what watching the original was like. All of the units in the Chicago area and others I know of located in theaters in the Mountain States, about 10 systems in all went away in a very-very big hurry way-way before I was ever in those booths . I've heard two systems perform on pretty darn good B chains both JBL and SPH-4000 systems and the experiences were VERY unimpressive overall and even somewhat annoying at times in the surrounds. If the booth operator set the amount of expansion too great it was downright time to put the coat back on and leave. Perhaps you should jump on that e-bay deal Steve. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-02-2007 05:10 PM                     Wait a minute Mark you are now into double-speak. You claimed quote: Mark Gulbrandsen Absolute crap excepting the stereophonizer and I said you were WRONG (and still are). Now you go on to claim all this about quote: Mark Gulbrandsen All you get is a fuller sound from the extra two speakers brought into play... or should we say... a wide mono B chain. Kintek died a well deserved death and for a very good reason... all the products they produced were built like crap. I agree with what Louis said and also reprocessed mono is not what the Director intended when he did the mix. Either the Stereophenizer is crap or it isn't. I personally never cared for it myself...what I pointed out is that it was the other box, the KT24 (or KT724 in the KT-700 series) that allowed it to do its trick better than others...that it steared dialog to center. By itself...it was a set of comb filters. The fact that it, with the KT-24 allowed it to mimick modern tracks (dialog hard center, music out of L/R and Surrounds) is where I made the claim of a credible psudostereo. Again, I'm not a fan of that...even for "fuller sound." As to the KT21 or 3BX...what the director or mixer heard was a mag track that had more dynamic range than the optical track (and better frequency response)...the KT21 was a 3-band expander that would have a chance of expanding the mono-optical track to a wider dynamic range similar to what would have been on the full-coat. The KT-24 I liked more for the sub-bass than the surrounds since it is certainly dicey to add surrounds of some sort to what was never really there...again it added a level of LF response that was likely to have been in the original mix on full-coat that wasn't on a release mono optical track. When playing old mono films mixed for big barns of a theatre...they sound very thin in say a THX type room that is rather dead...a Kintek system could, if set properly let them sound more like they did in a big barn of a theatre. And being in the business for XX number of years does not preclude you or anyone (including myself) from being wrong. As to all Kintek boxes being unreliable...the 3-box system just didn't have that reputation...most all worked until they where no longer needed/desired...heck they were made by dbx, using dbx's cabinets. Again, the later stuff, no arguement...they were not the most reliable pieces.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2007 06:42 PM                     Steve, The stereophonizer is the only box of the bunch that I found any use for at all and it was only for a couple of rentals in which the customer requested something be done with a mono track. One customer agreed after the fact that it wasn't orth the effore amnd the additional screen soeakers while the other rental customer liked the results. Sure it works somewhat and a bit better than the USL stereophonizer does... and as an audio comb filter its pretty complicated. I do however think you're over emphasizing its abilities! For it to hard center the dialog that dialog has to be within a certain frequency bandwidth and level in order for it to work. If someone's voice is out of that bandwidth/level that hard center all falls apart and I find that very annoying. And yes... it IS built like crap, all Kintek stuff was for the most part thrown together and not very servicable, a look at the insides of any of their gear qickly revealed that. In fact the use of cheap slider pots and dime store pushbuttons were the single biggest givaway there without removing a cover to have a look see. DBX by the way is nothing to write home about either.... Having worked in Audio for quite a number of years and then in Broadcast DBX enjoyed the same very poor reliability that I not surprisingly found a few years later with Kintek products. Mark  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 06-02-2007 08:39 PM                        I've got all of the original drawings and manuals, even the ones I'm not supposed to have and also almost two complete systems (yellow boxes). We did a small number of installs in the original CP-50 houses that also showed retro in the era when not all films were stereo. Louis  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-02-2007 09:08 PM                     I like the old yellow boxes they help older tracks a lot also I regularly run a summed signal in to the bass synthesizer to help 4 track mag prints get a better bottom end several IMAX theatres for years had DBX sub generators installed  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-02-2007 10:30 PM                     If I had even a single failure from the 3-box systems I would understand your feeling towards them. I did/do own dbx's consumer grade 3BX and a quarter of a century later...it still works despite your claim about dime store sliders and pushbuttons (they must have gone to the dollar store...it is USL that went to the dime store for their buttons and got the cast offs). You misrepresent the KT-22 by your description...it used the dialog recognition circuit in the KT-24 which was not only frequency but looked at the attack/decay times to determine if dialog or music/effects were playing. If you used a KT-22 by itself, then all it did was play left and right with opposing comb filters like other synths did though it had more filters than others, if I recall correctly. I also own the dbx 110 Sub Harmonic Synth...again...still working 20+ years later. dbx's bad rep didn't come about until the 4bx came out. For the pros, the dbx 150s (type 1 NR) had a decent enough reputation for reliability...though the question would be why one would use dbx over Dolby...mostly it was cost for semi-pro recording studios. Believe it or not, the dbx 120A (professional) is still available new for sub harmonic synth. Unfortunately, since records have practically gone out of existence, the need for expanders is far less than compressors so getting a good multi-band expander is near impossible. Louis, I too have the Kintek schematics and 1-2 complete sets of yellow and black boxes so no need for ebay on this one...I think we may even have a couple of KT700 systems kicking about.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 06-02-2007 11:43 PM                     I stil have a KT-700 in use here and it works like a champ. By the way, do any of you still have any manuals for the 700? When I recently did A & B chains (for the first time) I couldn't figure out where the EQ adjustments were located.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-03-2007 11:51 AM                     I don't think the KT700 ever had a proper manual...more of a text thing with some photocopies of PCBs with darkened areas to denote technican tunable controls (preamp, HF/LF). Kintek wasn't into EQ but there were HF/LF trims located on the KT-721 board...the labels are in the foils so it shouldn't be too hard to locate. If I ever get around to it...I'll get my KT700 info posted to Brad. The extender board should be located with the power supply on the left. I advise depowering the system whenever boards are removed/installed. One feature I did like is each board had its own regulator...thus a power supply board wouldn't take the system down (note each card had its own bypass button...of the dime store grade with extension sticks and genuine heat shrink...as another person has noted). Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-03-2007 02:18 PM                     Steve, DBX garnered a horrible reputation in the early 70's due to alot of product failures. The Stereo Repair Shop I worked in at that time did repair work for 14 Hi-Fi stores located around the Midwest area. Of all the DBX units they sold about 5 out of 12 came back with problems... thats a high failure rate. They quit selling the product all together. All units used to go to DBX for repairs... there's not much one can do with a failed potted VCA. The TV station I was at had DBX Compressor/Limiters that gave trouble, were incinsistant in operation and had terrible problems with intermittents. They were replaced with better gear, an Optimod if memory serves me. I could probably list today all the manufacturers we warranty serviced back then and DBX would be somewhere near the top of the list. When ELP Corp in Japan bought DBX/BSR they made units for just a short time before dumping DBX off to Harmon... which from a view point of improvements being made to the stuff is a good place for it to be. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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