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Tristan Lane
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I love Lucas jokes!

My Favorite:
"Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone. Thomas Edison invented the light bulb. Joseph Lucas invented the short circuit."

I realize that Lucas is long gone now that all of the British Leyland brands have either suffered death, or were bought out, but that doesn't mean that we still don't have to deal with it.

On Land Rover, my opinion still stands as far as reliability. LR has the largest amount of repair items, and "callbacks" to the dealer after purchase. This was according to Consumer Reports, and the track record has remained this way for a while. But, I do love the feel and look of Rovers. I've ridden in a number of Range Rovers, and am always impressed with the quiet smooth ride and interior build quality.

I guess my biggest frustrations are that they used molded bullet connectors for everything, and that in order to repair the connector, you have to replace it. Rather than deal with the same woes associated with the old wiring, I have ordered new Packard connectors and will rebuild the wiring harnesses from scratch.

There's a lot of retarded engineering in my XJS. One example would be that the wiring for the power window switch has both motor feed wires running +12v when the switch is at rest. Why???

Additionally, they installed a 6.5 second delay relay on the power antenna to delay the retraction of it...again, Why??

The list could go on forever.

One funny thing I've noticed with much of Lucas stuff, is that it isn't even their design. Their ignition system, for example, uses a GM HEI module. Their "Digital P" fuel injection is just plain ol' Bosch Jetronic, and their "Rists" connectors are just Junior Timer style.

Oh well..... The Connolly leather is nice, as well as all of the other Non-Lucas items. Such a shame that Jaguar still carries a legacy of crappy reliability (much if it contributed to by Lucas). Their styling and use of good materials makes them great cars.

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Phil Hill
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quote: Paul Mayer
Electrical Theory by Joseph Lucas:...
Paul, I LUV that explanation. It is a great way to look at electrical failures! [beer] [thumbsup]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Tristian,
If that were my JAG I'd be looking for a half way decent parts car to use to restore it properly. Its no longer a JAG with an LT-1 in it nor will it be any fun. There is a guy that makes brand new harnesses for the V-12 and a quick search on E-Bay turned up alot of V-12's some quite reasonable and all still in running condition as well as this engine .

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Tristan Lane
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Mark,

I see your point with sticking with the V12, but after putting a lot of thought into it, I've decided to ditch it. Many people believe that you rip the soul right out of the car when you get rid of the 12, but I have a more practical idea about this. In order to restore the engine I would have to replace all injectors, distro, bellcrank, etc. Basically the entire fuel system. The busings in the throttle bodies were shot. The cost to repair, and maintain the 12 would have been much more than the car is worth. The XJS is an undervalued car (and probably a bad investment). Cost to maintain would be very high as well.

Performance-wise, I think you'd be surprised that the V12 really isn't that powerful. It's only 5.3 liters, and pushes 280 horse. The engine has a very short stroke and doesn't produce much low-end torque. Both and LT-1 or LS-1 can easily match the horsepower of the 12, and will have much more low-end power. I plan on retaining the fuel injection, (I scoff at the carburated SBC conversions that a lot of people install in their jags.)

Although I don't agree that it will cease to be a JAG, It will no longer be as impressive looking under the hood.

Restoring an XJS with a mindset of keeping it original, would only be done for personal satisfaction. Doing it for investment purposes would be futile. The cars just aren't worth that much.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Well, my mindset about that sort of situation is to switch out the entire engine with another... not repair the hopeless mess it is now. The Jag V-12 engine really isn't about horsepower its about torque. I think if I were to change the engine out for another make I would take a serious look at the Dodge V-10 engine first. I had a V-10 P.U. for quite a few years and its utterly reliable and was alot of fun to drive at 100+ MPH!. The JAG has a heavy body and needs a heavy duty engine. At least you'd be back in the H.P and tourque department with the V-10. The LT-1 would be straining just "get off the line".

Mark

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Robert Minichino
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Most stock configurations of the LT1 have more HP and torque (and at a lower RPM) than the Jag V12. A few aftermarket parts and the LT1 is considerably more powerful. The V12 is generally smooth, but not particularly durable, efficient, or powerful.

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Tristan Lane
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Robert,

My point exactly!

The V12 really is an anemic turd compared to what else was out in '85. The Jag V12 is built on extremely old technology, and many aspects of it's design were shoddy. Jaguar upped the cubes to 6.0 in the late '80s, but it didn't change much. I was surprised to learn that it didn't have the gobs of power a V12 normally puts out. And as many have told me, It doesn't produce torque on the low end. Stock HP ratings of the H.E. V12 are 280h/290ft

Perhaps British Leyland should have left exotic engine building up to the Italians or the Germans..... They new how to make lots o' power from a v V12.

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Phil Hill
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Tristan Lane
Perhaps British Leyland should have left exotic engine building up to the Italians or the Germans..... They new how to make lots o' power from a v V12.

With tounge in cheek I have to say.... and Ford... who designed both the V-8 and V-12 that reside in all the Aston Martin models... both are based on the Ford Duratec engine.

Mark

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Gracia L. Babbidge
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Ahh, how I love reading comics.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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Many years ago, I owned a Triumph TR8, and had a British mechanic who was a former British Lyland employee, trained in the factory in Coventry. I got rid of the car after he moved back to England, but over the front door of his shop was a sign that read:

"Why do the British drink warm beer? They have Lucas refrigerators."

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Tristan Lane
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Although I don't have anything against British Leyland this picture is funny:

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Below is an image taken from the Lucas service manual depicting proper fuse replacement procedures:

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Per Hauberg
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Looks more like a Cinemeccanica Adjustment kit to me.....

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Tim Reed
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Tristan! ROFL!! Those are hilarious! [Big Grin]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Those fuse replacments are what I frequently saw when I was a Panasonic bench tech back in the early 70's.... Technics was just emerging then..... Part of Panasonic's service policy was for us to make sure all the correct size fuses were in the correct locations in peoples gear before it as given back.

Mark

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