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Hillary Charles
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Being about an hours drive from Gettysburg, I see plenty reenactors. My favorite are the glass plate photographers. Tim's right, the movie used plenty of reenactors, most of them more nourished than the real soldiers were, though. At least they saved plenty of uniforms and props.

quote: Joe Redifer
It's easier just to really kill each other.
It's not like nobody has tried, Joe. A few years ago, during the Gettysburg reenactment, one of the participants actually had live ammo. [Eek!] It caused excitement when the battlefield hosted its first gunshot wound in about 140 years!

Tomorrow when I go to visit my parents, I'll drive beside the remnants of the Columbia-Wrightsville (PA) Bridge. That bridge was burned to keep the Confederates from advancing toward Philadelphia. Because of that, they turned around and ended up in Gettysburg. History is fascinating.

BTW, I really like that picture Charles. If you said it was from a film, I'd have believed you.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Bobby Henderson
If that was the real motive behind Civil War reenactments there would be no reenactments of battles lost by the South -such as the Battle of Gettysburg.
Since you seemed to have missed it:

quote: Chris Slycord
Of course I'm not remotely implying that all are like that.
quote: Bobby Henderson
That's true, but I only mentioned the Jay Leno bit since that is something many here have seen. It's also true that a lot of studies often shown in one news report after another reveal that a great deal of Americans are very deficient in their knowledge of history, geography and a lot of other things. Jay Leno's bit makes it funny. The hard news reports just make it sad.
Yes but we could say the same thing about lots of other countries too. Heck, I remember seeing a clip of "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire" French version. The question was "What revolves around the Earth?" He couldn't figure out that the answer was "The Moon" so he polled the audience and 56% said "The Sun" and he went with them, getting the answer wrong (granted I bet those people answered it wrong on purpose).

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Mike Heenan
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And... another thing to consider is that people see Jay Leno now and specifically give a stupidly wrong answer... just in hopes of getting on TV.

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Tim Reed
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I've wondered about that, too, Mike. Some of them are just too far out there.

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Phil Hill
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Charles Greenlee
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quote: Hillary Charles
A few years ago, during the Gettysburg reenactment, one of the participants actually had live ammo.
That happened at the one I was at. There were a couple fields the reenacment took place at, on the same farm. Both had a battles happening at that time, that was at the other field, so we didn't know about it at first. The are real anal about inspecting the rifles and cartridges to make sure they're clean of any debris, and no live rounds. It's amazing that slipped through inspection.

That and being that you tear the cartridge, pour the powder, and then have to RAM the round down the muzzle, I still say it had to be intentional. Even if the round was small enough to slip down the barrel without ramming, he'd still have felt it in the cartridge when he was pouring his powder.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Joe Redifer
And who would lower themselves to portraying the South (who were completely wrong and evil)?
Joe needs to dig out the history books of American History and really explore in why of the many reasons the South wanted to split up with the rest of the union.

When he does, then he'll understand why, to this day, the civil war enactments are definitely a part of American History (there are also Revolutionary War re-enactments as well), and why the people of the South are still proud to fly the "Stars and Bars" of the Confederacy.

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Joe Redifer
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I'll never understand going to war largely over slave owning. Yeah, ownin' slaves is cool, I'll fight and die for that! South = lame. South also = way too damn hot. The south lost and this will never change. Welcome to reality.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Chris Slycord
Of course I'm not remotely implying that all are like that.
That's not much of an "out."

Chris, if you didn't believe most or all civil war reenactors were a bunch of "the south lives on" redneck hicks I don't think you would have made the sweeping judgment you did in your previous post.

The history of the Civil War really isn't exactly a great point of pride for lots of people in the south. Anyone who really knows any of the history of that period isn't going to be very fond of it. I've lived in Georgia, Louisiana and North Carolina. Add my high school days in Virginia. Oklahoma, New Mexico and Texas are a bit "west" of the situation. Having lived in those areas for a significant part of my life, I can say the confederate flag culture was marginal at best. Georgia even moved to change its state flag back to its original version and get rid of the stars and bars.

The Civil War was bad enough. The death toll of American fighters in that war still to this day is larger than the combined death toll of American soliders from all the wars this country has fought since then. World Wars I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War and our current operations in Iraq and Afghanistan don't add up to the losses from the Civil War.

The South had to deal with the "reconstruction" period. Basically, any area south of the Mason Dixon line had to suck hind tit and it's a pretty shameful part of the history of the United States.

The United States' obsession with illegal drugs grew by a great deal during that period. The opium trade hit the big time in the late 1800s. Much of that thanks to hundreds of thousands of battle-worn civil war veterans addicted to morphine and other drugs. The horror stories from that time are a pretty good argument against the zany propositions of people these days who want to legalize hard drugs. We tried it before. It didn't work. The term "Heroin" was actually a brand name coined by the Bayer Aspirin company as a cure of morphine addiction. We all know how that backfired.

My judgment on rednecks driving around in pickup trucks decorated with "the confederate stars and bars" is not good. They're just showing a demonstration of ignorance, and possibly racism as well. However, I flatly disagree 100% with the opinions of those who want all confederate flags banned from being shown. That's just plain ignorance as well. The confederate stars and bars is not a positive symbol in American history, but it is not one that should ever be forgotten either. This country needs to keep that around to remind us of our sense of shame.

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Charles Greenlee
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Georgia even moved to change its state flag back to its original version
Yeah, guess what. It's the First National flag of the Conferacy. Yeah, their main national flag. They just put the state seal on it. The name "stars and bars" indicates that flag, not the battle flag. But anyways, more random pics.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Bobby Henderson
That's not much of an "out."

Chris, if you didn't believe most or all civil war reenactors were a bunch of "the south lives on" redneck hicks I don't think you would have made the sweeping judgment you did in your previous post.

If I had meant "The south is a bunch of rednecks" I actually would've said it. But guess what? I DIDN'T say that. But you'll say "You implied it" to which I say "No. You assumed that's how I meant it."

Further, I went back and reread what I wrote and noticed that I specifically referred to the people who were re-enacting because of their southern heritage as being a "sizeable portion" which is different from saying "all or most." I'd say even, say, 10% is a sizeable portion. Also, I've lived in NC and Arkansas so I saw my fair bit of ignorant hicks though of course I wouldn't say that they are a majority or close to it.

Though I was being harsh when I said that those people were trying to divide people. Guess I was in a bad mood.

quote: Joe Redifer
I'll never understand going to war largely over slave owning. Yeah, ownin' slaves is cool, I'll fight and die for that! South = lame. South also = way too damn hot. The south lost and this will never change. Welcome to reality.
If the civil war was due to slave owning then why was it that there were a couple slave states in the Union? There's more to it than that.

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Joe Redifer
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I never said that was all it was about. But no matter how many times they re-enact battles, the south will never win. When re-enacting, do they say "Hmmm, well General such-and-such died on this shot so you're done now. Go home."? The south was too weak to win. People still make fun of the south to this day. I just can't help but see re-enactments as kind of a "Let's pretend to win this time" type of thing. I can understand historical fascination and whatnot, but wow. Nobody re-enacts the Civil Rights movement. In high school we had our Spanish teacher who was a Civil War buff bring in a canon and fire off a blank as a demonstration. He and a few of his friends dressed to the nines in Civil War gear. It seemed to be just a bit more than an obsession. They fired the blank and that was it. A 2 minute demonstration and we were done. Wow. All dressed up for that?

Just play Laser Tag, people.

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Hillary Charles
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All this reminds me of the Simpsons episode in which Apu is taking his American citizenship test. When asked, "Why was the civil war fought?" Apu began his answer with something like, "There were many political and economic factors..."

Then he's interrupted with "Just say 'slavery.'" [Roll Eyes]

With such a shallow knowlege of American history these days, at least someone is reminding us of a significant part of it. And maybe it will motivate someone somewhere to look up why the war was actually fought. [Wink]

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Mike Heenan
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I'm sure we all have hobbies/things we do that would seem alien to other folks. I collect film prints and trailers, while for some folks an Blu Ray is sufficient and I would be thought of as crazy. Some people are into that World of Warcraft game and some people play video games.... I say to each his or her own.

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Phil Hill
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quote: Hillary Charles
With such a shallow knowlege of American history these days, at least someone is reminding us of a significant part of it.
Hillary= [thumbsup]

I think now-a-days most all the teachers are crappy teachers/educators/administrators. They are doing an injustice to our young people and dummying them down by failing to honestly educate them in an unbiased/non personal-view manner. It seems to be more important to be a politically correct revisionist rather than historically correct.

Sad.

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