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Author Topic: Best/worst projector Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2004 06:09 AM                     Ah the Bauer B11 a fine piece of German engineering.Worked on a pair back in the mid 80s never had any major work done to them only thing I remember was we replaced the sprockets and thats about it.They just keep going.Ian the last place I heard is that they were at was the Roadshow theatrett untill FP30S went in , and I believe they are now in a shed of a person we both know but not a 100% sure you may have more info than me.The Sun Theatre Yarraville Uses A couple B14s and a B11 and a U3. Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2004 09:06 AM                     quote: Stephen Jones and I believe they are now in a shed of a person we both know How come every old projector ends up in someones shed down under.... I've seen this refrence on F-T from you Aussies several times before..... don't you guys have warehouses down there ? We DO have sheds up here but they usually contain lawn mowers and yard maintainance instruments. Those Canadians up north of us use old semi trailers to store their old projectors in...... a form of shed I guess. Mark  |  IP: Logged Matthew Jaro Film Handler Posts: 74 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Registered: Jul 2003 posted 12-12-2004 10:01 AM                        Mark --- I wasn't only referring to cooling. I have some old prints that were slightly warped. When I projected them on an old E-7 with a straight gate that I used to have, the frame went in and out of focus. However, with my XLs, the picture is in perfect focus. Heat is not a factor since I'm running 1.6 KW with three blade shutters.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2004 11:40 AM                     The E-7 trap isn't long enough to do much with a warped print. I once had a mag optical print of 2001 that was badly warped and the only priojector it would run on was a Brenkert with its very long straight trap. A mag optical print of the Sand Pebbles wouldn't run on any machine! Curved gates are not the cure all for all problems...... They are also much harder on film in general unless you go to the delrin type as in the older Phillips and Kinoton machines. The delrin material has about the same coefficient of friction as the film itself. Enjoy your X-L for the time being but eventually you will grow unhappy with it as most other collectors I know eventually have! Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 12-12-2004 04:49 PM                    Mark, I once managed to get some of that 2001 print through a Super Simplex at the old facility. It must have spent literally years in the same position because besides the shrinkage and warping the severe fading varied like one side of the film rolls had been kept warmer (causing more fading) than the other. So the color flickered as it went through.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2004 08:30 PM                     Yep Mark thats about it, we store a lot of things in our sheds.O f course the average Aussie shed isnt a ramshackle thing down the end of the yard,It is usully a well constructed piece of work equipped with all modcons lke a fridge, toilet, fully equippped work bench, pool table and of it wouldnt be without a fully stocked bar ,TV etc and most times a computer.And some that belong to projectionist's have 35mm setup as well.Of course any projection equipment isnt just sitting in a pile in the corner its usually set up and covered awaiting restoration or to be re used somewhere. You cant beat a shed to escape from the missus(wife) and to check up on Film-Tech of course or what ever you want including looking up Phill's porn site Steve  |  IP: Logged Don Sneed Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Texas City, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 12-12-2004 09:17 PM                        Here's a good one, I have installed over 28 of the Apogees projectors, been around & service over 60 Apogees, I found these are going to be a great projector, once a few bugs are gone & Strong is working on those bugs...after threading so many of these I went to PM a theatre that had Strong Millennium projectors, almost forgot how to thread it, I kept reaching for the lens turret release knob at the top of the turret, instead of at the bottom, also needed to sdjust the turret up/dowm postion & kept loosing the wrong screws, got so use to the Apogees now...after seeing the steady picture the Apogees has & how quite it is, the Millennium can't compete...I am sold on the Apogees...it takes a little to get use to, but once you do, I prefer the Apogees now.....  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-12-2004 09:34 PM                     quote: Don Sneed I found these are going to be a great projector, once a few bugs are gone & Strong is working on those bugs What kind of bugs does this Apogee's contain that Strong needs to clear up before this CAN be a great projector? I've heard of such "teething and growing pains" with this new lineup from Stong. thx-Monte  |  IP: Logged Don Sneed Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Texas City, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 12-12-2004 09:46 PM                        Monte, it's a great machine, Strong is replacing the gate & rail in the film trap to prevent the bands (straps as Strong calls it)from being bent & causing film damage, this a a major plus...& you will no longer have to use the allen wrench to set the gate clearance...another plus....& they are going to lock tight the pad roller shaft screw to prevent coming loose...after this is done the machine is runs great, quite, & smooth, takes a little to get use to the threading, but I like it !!! Working on the lens turret control is much easier now to get to...& the two small cooling fans in top of the machine keeps the aperture plate cool, this is a major plus to stop burning your fingers when filing aperture plates...I just notice my figerprints are coming back now...Thank You STRONG !!!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-12-2004 10:04 PM                     Thx for your reply and helping with your comments. True, the allen adjustment thing for the trap can be somewhat of a hassle, for I've seen Mils with bouncing pictures, with tensions set all the way up, and finding out that the gate/band pressure was way too loose due to this alignment/setting factor. Now, another question: did Strong use the same intermittent assembly, vertical drive shaft, motor drive assembly, associated with the "XL" frame, or started fresh anew with a new transmission assembly? I haven't seen any work manuals on this new machine. thx again-Monte  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2004 10:39 PM                     quote: it's a great machine, Bwahahahaha.... And then Don goes on to list all the things that Strong is "fixing" on it. Had the Apogee be designed by the old Simplex Co. it would have never made it into normal service with all those "fixes" needed. Those would have been taken care of long before the first machine was "sold". How you can actually reccomend that pile of crap when you can buy a new Kinoton for less money is beyond me? You been near some of that I-30 stuff lately Don? Mark  |  IP: Logged Don Sneed Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Texas City, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 12-12-2004 10:41 PM                        The Apogee use the same intermittent, the drive train is like the reg. simplex except the vert. shaft is longer, the shutter assy is slightly different in lenght, the oil pump has been moved to a higher position & now sit horizontal, more oil is use, & the motor is smaller & is direct drive, no more belts...the sound drum flywheel is larger & heavier...the gate is longer for a steadier picture...  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 12-12-2004 11:35 PM                    Am I missing something or is this machine still not shown on the Strong website?  |  IP: Logged Ian Joseph Parfrey Film Handler Posts: 56 From: Bollier Queensland Australia Registered: Sep 2004 posted 12-13-2004 12:38 AM                     Stephen. I do indeed know those B11's very well as it was I who drove them for twelve years at the Theatrette. They had originally on the back a Fumeo 5ooW xenon block, then dropped that for an... URG!!...ORC 1600 B shitbox lamphouse. I still don't think the Kinotons were much of a step up in comparison to the B11's though. I wish my shed was as big as that guy's , I've only got a 20' container. Methinks the Sun's B14's are ex Footscray Grand?? I still want a pair.  |  IP: Logged Don Sneed Master Film Handler Posts: 451 From: Texas City, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2001 posted 12-13-2004 09:51 AM                        Mark, I-30 ??? sorry, fill me in on I-30..I really starting to like the Apogee, at first I didn't, but once properly adjusted it works very well...now I do agree with you, us in the field should not have to align anything, it should come from the factory, ready to to go without doing anything except wiring it up....now I am not a Christie projector fan at all, but I do admitt, all I have to is mount the proj., wire it in, & run movies....Christie do have their stuff together on that...this is something Strong should really look into, no alignment of any kind, uncrate it, wire it, use it....until they can get to that level, we just have to deal with it, complaining does no good...but I still like the new machine....  |  IP: Logged

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