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Author Topic: Best/worst projector Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-03-2004 07:17 PM                     G'day Ian Yep I second that they are both good projectors and still a few around giving good service.I used a few Supers over the years and they were married to the RCA sound heads mentioned in another thread.I found that a good combination and found them great never had oil leak probs at all.If I remember RCA Australia were the distributors for the super standards and sold them as a pakage to drive-in's at the time usually with BTH arc's.And have worked on the odd C&W both Senior and Junior modles nice and quiet being chain driven just like my favourit Kinoton's.If you ever in Mebourne pop down to Geelong and say G'day. Cheers Steve  |  IP: Logged Ian Joseph Parfrey Film Handler Posts: 56 From: Bollier Queensland Australia Registered: Sep 2004 posted 12-03-2004 09:38 PM                     Hi Steve. I am familiar with Geelong very well as I once was a Melbournian in a past life. I have mixed feelings about good old Geelong, in particular the old Star Drive-in that was once there. During one our theatre treks, my brother and I went to the Star just before it closed. That was a real nice place and was drive-in done right! We were looking for some gear and was told that two weeks before, the Kalee 21's were scrapped and the bases sold to a scrap metal dealer. Why do they do this? I think they had Strong Futura 11's on the back if I remember rightly. A good combination I'm told though I still reckon the gate and aperture setup on the 21's is still dumb. The Super Standards and the Super 75s were an ideal combination when teamed with my beloved RCA soundheads. I know that the Village in Ballarat had the RCA setup but I don't know what the Village Drive-in in Geelong had. I'll guess that they were probably Century's with Strong's on the back. You may remember the old cinema in the main street there, I can't remember the name but I do know they had Bauer's, I think either B12's or 14's. It's now flattened and a nice row of stores, consigned to the annals of history. Geelong's a top spot and can't wait to get back down there and say Hi.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-04-2004 01:02 AM                     Hi Ian, Unfortunately I never saw the drive-ins here in Geelong as I have only been here for 8 yrs.Village transfered me from Tassy back in 96 as LTM at Village Geelong 11 which is the worst site that I ever worked at in my 25 yrs with Village I left after differences of opinion with the site GM I think you know who I mean as you worked with Village in Melbourne .I now work at Reading Entertainment at thier Waurnponds site using Kinoton FP50D'S and Kinoton platters which in my opinion is the best pakage for multiplex cinemas.Yes the Kalee apature plate was a stupid arrangement which was my only fault with them.I worked with many a Kalee 21 over the years most of them on RCA soundheads with one pair I had at Hoyts in Hobart that were on Westrex sound heads with Kalee President arcs,these Kalees also had the Kalee Mag Heads, last I heard these projectors etc were sitting in shed somewhere in Hobart.We ran 6000' spls with a full trim of carbons. Cheers Steve  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 12-04-2004 09:20 AM                        hi Ian, I would have to agree the Super Standard was a very simple uncluttered machine , it was the very first machine I used.They ran well without many problems, although they were a little noisy when the shutter bevel gear bushes became warn. The kalee 21 was equally as good , probably with the advanced solenoid changeover and constant oiling gave them the edge and the fact they were very quiet. Still..... both of them run rings around what we are buying today. my first  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-04-2004 11:19 AM                     Well, the lamphouse in that photo is definately a good piece.... Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-04-2004 01:37 PM                     ..only thing about Supers is when changing out or rotating the intermittent sprocket: is the usage of those taper pins and having to take the assembly apart to do this service. Otherwise a nifty little Simplex. Okey, question from this "newbie" here: I'm a "babysitter" of a bunch of 1050's here, and I have one 1050 that when I change the oil in this unit, no more than a week later, the oil turns into a dark caramel color. Granted, I think of a main vertical shaft bearing(s) going bad, or shutter bearings, yet they spin free without any noise when I take the weight off of them. Plus, the unique thing on this unit is that it has one of the longest coast times for any 1050 that I have when the power is turned off-almost 30 seconds. See what you think on this one. thx-Monte  |  IP: Logged Will Kutler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1506 From: Tucson, AZ, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 12-04-2004 08:48 PM                     Early Standards had the single bearing intermittent. Older Standards started using the double bearing type. I do believe that Standard and Super double bearing intermittents are interchangeable. Depending on the star/sprocket style you have, it could either be the taper pin or the later screw/locknut style. If you have the taper pin style, then a lot of care must be taken to remove that pin. I do believe that there was a special fixture for this to prevent accidental shaft damage. Cheers K.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-05-2004 02:20 AM                     Thx, even though it's been years since I did a Super intermittent sprocket replacement, and this one was with the taper pins to secure the sprocket on the shaft, I just had to make sure which side of the shaft and sprocket had the bigger holes to match the taper of the pin. otherwise, it was curtains for the pins. When I did that rebuild, I had a small brass hammer to drive out the pins with a tap or two, which were easy to drift out and tap back into place. It was the alignment of the nosepiece to mate the starwheel back up with the cam, since I "disturbed" the seating of cam and starwheel when separating the two pieces, for that was the trick to do. But, it didn't take long for each part to find home base where they accepted each other in harmony and the assembly ran very smooth and quiet from there on. This theatre where I did this Super rebuild was in Midvale,UT .. the Gazebo, on Main St. when I lived down there back in the mid 70's. This one Super had a sprocket that was hooking badly, being worn on the one side. By turning the sprocket around help make the film run a lot quieter.  |  IP: Logged Ian Joseph Parfrey Film Handler Posts: 56 From: Bollier Queensland Australia Registered: Sep 2004 posted 12-05-2004 04:27 AM                     Hi Phil That bevel gear problem would be about the only thing that gave any trouble on those Super Standards. Did you have any experience of the Super 75's? I know there are still a pair of Super Standards and RCA's in operation at the Palace Theatre in St. Kilda Melbourne with Strong X-60 C's on the back. Nice rock steady pic and not too much bevel noise! Ahh Yes, The Super Standard....Aussie Built....Aussie Tough! Ohh, Steve. Not another Village victim? Y,know, before they went public, they were a great bunch to work for! You'd bust your arse for 'em and they'd appreciate it. Memories of David Aalders spring to mind. Agree on the Kalee's. The Presidents were an under-rated lamphouse I reckon. So, they're in a garage somewhere?...... I wonder....  |  IP: Logged Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-05-2004 06:10 PM                      |  IP: Logged Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-05-2004 06:21 PM                     Hi Ian, They were the good days at Village then but then they went public and had to keep the share holders happy and lost a lot of great projectionists in the process.I didnt know that the Palace Theatre had Super Standards under the impression it had Cinemecanica V8'S,have you any photos of the bio?I have only been in the foyers and the stalls area a great old picture place of the 30's and its good its still standing and being used and I hope it dosent fall victim to progress it just wouldnt be St Kilda without the Place Steve  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 12-06-2004 09:36 AM                        Ian I never had any experiences with the Super 75's. It was ironic that about two years ago I came across a visitor from Perth in the cinema , he chatted about his passion for collecting and restoring old projectors. It was then uncovered that he in fact had both of the Super standards from my drive in in his possession and was restoring them . I love a happy ending. and Yes Mark those lamphouses were a good one. The one in the picture was converted from rotating positive black carbons to copper carbons (10mm positives) and they put out a fantastic light indeed.  |  IP: Logged Ian Joseph Parfrey Film Handler Posts: 56 From: Bollier Queensland Australia Registered: Sep 2004 posted 12-08-2004 05:04 AM                     Stephen. Yep, I am certain about the Super Standards at the Palace, St Kilda. Went up to the box during a screening, during MIFF a few years ago. Dave Thomas was the operator at that time. I don't have any photos but I do remember they were the grey Supers with X-60's on the back and a REAL long throw! They may have been changed since then. The Regent in Collins St. Melbourne has Cinemeccanica Vic 8's with full 70mm capability. There IS life after Village, eh?  |  IP: Logged Stan Gunn Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Clematis, in the hills near Melbourne Australia Registered: Aug 2000 posted 12-08-2004 05:21 AM                        It is the PALAIS theatre at STKILDA a wonderfull old lady and the Super standards are still running sweet I am about to fit my red led convert. Stan Gunn  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-08-2004 07:38 PM                     quote: Stan Gunn I am about to fit my red led convert Should we be afraid ? Mark  |  IP: Logged

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