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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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quote: Jim Ziegler

"Seems to me that it would be prudent to have all hands available in case of an emergency."

The projectionist's responsibilities in case of a fire or evacuation of the building are spelled out in our emergency plan.

In the event that the fire alarm is activated, all of our projectors automatically shut down, but other power has to be turned off. If there is any other type of emergency, the projectionist shuts down the 13 screen operation in the prescribed manner. Either way, that takes some time. Then, he/she has to exit the building as fast as possible for his/her own personal safety.

If one's safety is at risk, our booth personnel are told to get the hell out immediately!

All floor personnel have prescribed tasks that will adequately effect a quick and, hopefully, safe evacuation.

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Jim Ziegler
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quote: Brad Miller
It is quite possible something could happen upstairs and the projectionist needs to be doing whatever he can to put out a fire while the management and floor staff gets the customers outside. Regardless of whether anyone is going to nitpick that quick example, management shouldn't be relying on that one extra person (the projectionist) to make their emergency procedures successful.
And what if floor staff are busy with trying to put out a fire downstairs? Ideally, everyone should know each part of the emergancy plan so that they can be sent where they are needed. A prudent emergency plan will make maximum use of all available resources, irregardless of a person's job title.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Jim Ziegler
And what if floor staff are busy with trying to put out a fire downstairs?
The odds are that the projectionist will be busy stopping movies, bringing house lights up and making announcements over the sound system (if so equipped). Other duties may include things such as physically running around and looking out the port windows to make SURE all of the customers are out of the auditoriums, thus greatly helping the staff downstairs by radioing to them "auditorium 2 is clear", etc.

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Stephen Jones
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I don't know what the what the regulations are in the U.S but looking through the port is not an acceptable as a way of checking the to see if the cinema is clear as you can not see all of the cinema or if children etc are behind curtains.The who building has to be checked by staff appointed by the fire warden who is usually a manager and cinemas doors closed with a white cross on it after it has been checked and fire warden notified.If any one refuses to leave you don't touch them you leave them and notify the fire warden who reports it to the fire fighters who have the athourity to remove them same applies to disabled people who should not be evacuated by staff but by fire fighters. to way radio use should be kept to urgent communication only.The projectionist leaves the bio as the projectors a/c, exhaust etc is shut down by the fire evac ststem which also notifies the fire service as well and instructs patrons to evacuate.The procjectionist reports to the warden for further instructions on where to assist.
Fire evac training is carried every 6 months here at expense to the cinema owners but it has to be done and is part of the regulations controlling OH&S
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Jim Ziegler
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quote: Brad Miller
The odds are that the projectionist will be busy stopping movies, bringing house lights up and making announcements over the sound system (if so equipped).
All of which should happen automatically if the fire alram is set off in a typical megaplex.

quote: Brad Miller
Other duties may include things such as physically running around and looking out the port windows to make SURE all of the customers are out of the auditoriums, thus greatly helping the staff downstairs by radioing to them "auditorium 2 is clear", etc.
You cannot tell if an auditorium is 100% clear from the booth. You would have to do this from the floor, which is why projection staff must be versed in the entire emergency plan. To try and clear auditoriums from the booth is reckless and will subject the theatre to severe civil liablities, and probably charges of criminal negligence.

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Brad Miller
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Geez, lighten up Jim. (And stop putting words in my mouth...never did I say that "auditoriums should be cleared from the booth". The point was that they can be CHECKED AFTER they are "officially" cleared to make sure no one was left behind.)

Not ALL theaters have a restricted view from the port window and not ALL theaters have automated announcements and such. That is why every theater has specific emergency guidelines. If you want your projectionists to be a part of that then so be it. I can't believe everyone is arguing emergency procedures so much. Still, the management isn't staffing their theater properly if they have to RELY on that one extra person from the booth to make the emergency evacuation work. [Roll Eyes]

Fire regulations and such do vary quite a bit from state to state and even town to town.

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Monte L Fullmer
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(..now we're drifting over to "Emergency Tactics"...lol)

Okey...at my 21 plex that I was "Booth Manager", when the alarms took off, all of the machinery would shut down. We guys would make sure the machinery was turned off before restart. Then head out the booth's emergency exits and get downstairs to be counted in with the rest of the staff.

Floor people took responsibility of patron occupancy in the auditoriums and the rest of the building. We had our own responsibilites.
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Why of all of this hammering on the world of the projectionists, union and non-union is beyond me.

It seems like the title of projectionist has become a bad omen in the exhibitor's world -like we've got the plague, the "curse from hell" - anything.

Are we now representing a sinful occupation/trade/craft, or something else in that nature?

There seems to have been very little praise from anyone that I've noticed about what we do and what we are. Just constant negative reactions just because we do what we do and not do what others do that isn't familiar with this trade.

Life ain't fair. LIVE WITH IT!!

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Brad Miller
Fire regulations and such do vary quite a bit from state to state and even town to town.
Same here. The licence which a cinema needs in order to legally admit members of the public to see films is issued by the local authority. As part of the application process the premises is inspected by an employee of the fire brigade (the fire officer), and if he's satisfied that your alarm, other safety equipment and evacuation procedures are up to scratch, you get the licence. There are some statutory minimums, but the bottom line is that (s)he has to be convinced that you're operating safely.

Fire officers I dealt with have ranged from utterly anal to couldn't give a four-x. Ultimately their ass is potentially on the line should you end up with any Kentucky fried customers, so usually they do the job right and constructively. This system must work reasonably well: AFAIK there have been no deaths or serious injuries in a cinema fire in Britain since the '30s. That's quite impressive, given that smoking was allowed in most auditoria until the early-mid '80s (I remember the snipes that were shown at the Odeon Wimbledon as a kid, which asked smokers to sit in the seats right of the centre aisle).

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Richard May
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In a lot of the old theaters in New York, the equipment is not wired into the fire system. All new installs are. Even so, you can't just assume that the automatic functions will work properly. You still must go around the booth and check every theater for shutdown and house lights. The operator then would help clear the theaters. It's the floor staff that would start assessing the situation downstairs. No one expects the floor staff to check the booth. Just as nobody expects the operator to handle downstairs.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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quote:
March 11 2005

A message from Jon Forman, Cleveland Cinemas

The following was sent to subscribers of SPROCKETS, http://www.clevelandcinemas.com/index.asp
Cleveland Cinemas online newsletter. We are sharing it with you to be informed about the projectionists' union dispute with them:

A SPECIAL MESSAGE FROM JON FORMAN
President of Cleveland Cinemas

Dear Sprockets Subscriber,

Thanks for subscribing to our newsletter. We hope that you find the information provided helpful and that you choose to see a film at one of our theaters. As you may be aware, members of Local 160, the Projectionists Union, have attempted to disrupt the Cleveland International Film Festival and have on occasion, tried to discourage the public from attending movies at our theaters. By their actions, these individuals have placed one of Cleveland's great cultural institutions - the Film Festival - at risk. Their efforts to discourage patrons from coming to our theaters may have an impact on our business.

The protest has nothing to do with the Cleveland Film Festival or Cleveland Cinemas. Instead, it has to do with changes in the movie theater industry. Many years ago, when most theaters had a single screen, a dedicated projectionist was usually employed, since the method by which films were shown was significantly different than it is today. Showing a film required two projectors, since films were shown using 20-minute reels and someone had to "change-over" or switch between projectors so that as one reel of film was ending, the next reel on the other projector would begin. Also, the light source for each projector was a dangerous carbon arc needing constant adjustment. And film stock was highly flammable, requiring special handling.

Today, technology has made the position of the dedicated projectionist unnecessary, just as it has eliminated the need for elevator operators and typesetters. With the changes that the industry has made, theaters now operate more efficiently, so that a theater manager can operate 20 screens at the push of a button, like they do at Loews' Theaters at Richmond Mall, Regal Cinemas' 16 screen theaters in Willoughby and Medina and Magic Johnson's 12 screen theater in Randall Park Mall. Currently, the only theaters in Greater Cleveland operated exclusively by a dedicated projectionist are those that are part of the Science Center, the Rock Hall and the Cleveland Museum of Art. Virtually all movie theaters in Greater Cleveland and across the United States now operate without dedicated projectionists. You may find the theater information at the end of this letter to be of interest.

Motion picture theater companies do not employ projectionists, simply because the jobs no longer exist. Managers and supervisors at our theaters are professionals, who operate projection equipment as part of their duties, and receive competitive wages and benefits. The National Labor Relations Board has, on several occasions, confirmed that Cleveland Cinemas bargained in good faith and acted properly as we upgraded our operations to keep pace with others in the industry.

Cleveland Cinemas is committed to its customers and to Cleveland. For 27 years, we have created jobs, restored historic buildings and helped revitalize the neighborhoods where our theaters are located. And we have consistently supported the Cleveland International Film Festival. We hope you will agree that our theaters are part of what makes Cleveland special.

We also hope you will agree that, while there is a time and place for labor and management to debate their issues, that place is not the Cleveland International Film Festival. We appreciate your patronage and we hope that you found this information helpful. If you have any questions or concerns, I can be reached at [snip].

Sincerely,

Jonathan R. Forman, President

MOTION PICTURE THEATERS NO LONGER USING DEDICATED PROJECTIONISTS:

LOEWS 20 ~ 20 SCREENS
MAGIC JOHNSON ~ 12 SCREENS
MARQUEE CINEMAS ~ BARRINGTON 10
THE CLEVELAND CINEMATHEQUE ~ 1 SCREEN
AMC
RIDGE PARK SQUARE ~ 8 SCREENS
WESTGATE MALL ~ 6 SCREENS
WESTWOOD TOWN CENTER ~ 6 SCREENS
REGAL CINEMAS
COBBLESTONE SQUARE ~ 20
HUDSON CINEMA ~ 10
MEDINA ~ 16
WILLOUGHBY COMMONS ~ 16
MOTION PICTURE THEATERS EXCLUSIVELY USING FULL TIME DEDICATED UNION PROJECTIONISTS:
GREAT LAKES SCIENCE CENTER ~ 1 SCREEN
THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME ~ 1 SCREEN
THE CLEVELAND MUSEUM OF ART ~ 1 SCREEN
CLEVELAND INSTITUE OF ART ~ 1 SCREEN

A message from Projectionists Union Local 160
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A message from Projectionists Union Local 160
by John A. Galinac Friday, Mar. 11, 2005 at 3:17 PM
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A reply to Jon Forman's Special Message in his SPROCKETS NEWSLETTER

A message from Projectionists Union Local 160 John A. Galinac Business Agent Thank you for allowing me to respond to the “Special Message” from Jon Forman, President of Cleveland Cinemas. After reading the “Special Message” you might conclude that Mr. Forman states a reasonable and sympathetic position and that it is unfortunate that the Projectionists Union refuses to accept the technological inevitability of being relegated to the fate of the dinosaurs. Nothing could be farther from the truth. This is not about technology; this is about Mr. Forman’s greed and his willingness to sacrifice the Cleveland International Film Festival for his own narrow, selfish interests. I would like to respond to a few of the points in Mr. Forman’s message.

? The largest movie theater in the Greater Cleveland area is staffed 100% by union projectionists. Cinemark Theater in Valley View, with 24 screens, is the largest theater in this area and uses only union projectionists. Mr. Forman’s claim that union projectionists only remain at anachronistic, single screen theaters is simply a lie. Indeed, union projectionists are even employed at some of the theaters on his list of supposedly non-union theaters.

? The Cleveland International Film Festival has been put “at risk” by Jon Forman, not the Projectionists Union. The Film Festival has used only union projectionists for the last 28 years. In fact, last year when the Film Festival was having financial troubles, I personally requested and the Film Festival received a $10,000 grant from Paul Newman so that union projectionists could be used. This year, when the Film Festival applied to Cuyahoga County for a $15,000 grant, it expressly included funding for projectionists. It was Jon Forman who would not allow the Film Festival to continue to employ its own union projectionists and instead is requiring the Film Festival to use Mr. Forman’s non-union employees if the Film Festival wants to use the theaters Mr. Forman controls at Tower City. But for Mr. Forman’s intransigence, the Film Festival would have continued to use union projectionists as it has done for 28 years.

? Mr. Forman complained that the Union’s efforts to discourage patrons from coming to his theaters “may” have had an impact on his business, but he fails to mention the impact on the lives of union projectionists who he has systematically fired from their jobs at every single theater that is part of Mr. Forman’s growing empire. Those dedicated employees and their families have suffered from a loss of wages, health care, and contributions to their pension.

? The average wage of the dedicated union projectionists that used to work for Cleveland Cinemas was $15/hour. The projectionists have been replaced by lower-paid, so-called “managers” and “supervisors”. Although Mr. Forman’s Special Message talked about “upgrading” his operations, Mr. Forman has refused to hire any of his former projectionist employees into these lower-paid, upgraded positions. In fact, the National Labor Relations Board has issued a Complaint against Cleveland Cinema, and will be prosecuting them at a trial scheduled to start in June, over Cleveland Cinema’s refusal to even consider re-hiring union members into these “upgraded” positions.

? Finally, Jon Forman’s disdain for the Union and his own employees was best illustrated after one of his long-term employees died of a heart attack while at work, only hours after complaining to a fellow employee about his working conditions. When the Union tried to discuss health and safety issues with Mr. Forman, he stormed out of the meeting and refused to negotiate. I hope that these comments give you a better idea of what we have been up against. We ask for your support and understanding.

Union projectionists absent from this marquee
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Union projectionists absent from this marquee

Saturday, March 12, 2005
Chuck W. Ackerman
Cleveland

Ihave been going to the Cleveland International Film Festival since it was held at the Cedar Lee Theater many years ago. I love the movies, and the festival is a great event for the city. I am disappointed and angry, however, that union projectionists will not be used in this year's festival. The fact that the festival is good for Cleveland does not give its organizers a pass on making sure that those who serve the festival are paid decent benefits.

Jonathan Forman of Cleveland Cinemas says he is only doing what the national chains are doing. This is not consistent with the fact that many other Cleveland-area theaters continue to use union projectionists, including Regal, Cinemark and AMC.

I was not privy to the negotiations between the festival organizers and Forman, but the use of union projectionists should have been insisted upon. The Cleveland Film Society is not solely to blame for this situation, but it should take its share.

Isn't it ironic that many films that will be shown this year and have been shown in past years explore social-justice issues, yet festival organizers choose to ignore one in their own back yard?

Chuck W. Ackerman
Cleveland

Ive been paying close atten tion to the dispute between Jonathan Forman and the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 160. All I have to say to Forman is, "Thank you."

Before the Cedar Lee Theater got rid of union projectionists, nearly all of my experiences there were terrible: The film would snap; the print would be put in the projector backwards, causing subtitles to be reversed; house lights would be turned on in mid-screening. It seems that members of Local 160 feel that as long as they pay their monthly dues, they are untouchable - no matter how poorly they do their jobs.

Now that Cleveland Cinemas is rid of union projectionists, screenings at the Cedar Lee have gone off without a hitch. Coincidence?

Jared McGrath

Akron

Live, on film
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Live, on film:

When a crossed wire in theater No. 4 silenced the beginning of "Lonesome Jim" during Thursday's opening night of the Cleveland International Film Festival, director Steve Buscemi wowed the crowd by narrating the flick as if it were a DVD director's cut. Then, along with producer Galt Niederhoffer and writer James C. Strouse, he provided dialogue voice-overs. Patrons loved it, and a few groaned when the sound was restored a few minutes later.


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Brad Miller
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quote:

Motion picture theater companies do not employ projectionists, simply because the jobs no longer exist.

Wow, that's a bold statement! To claim that theaters no longer need union projectionists is one thing, but to say that theaters do not employ projectionists at all is pure bullshit. Even a minimum wage 16 year old with no real training is STILL filling the job of "projectionist". Same thing with Cinemark's "Usher-Bs". They can change the title of the job, but in the end they are STILL projectionists. (That whole silly "Usher-B" thing came about as a union-busting tactic anyway.)

I'd like to see this guy run a theater for a month as manager, projectionist...the works. It would be interesting to see if his opinion changed.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Jonathan R. Forman, quote:

"Today, technology has made the position of the dedicated projectionist unnecessary, just as it has eliminated the need for elevator operators and typesetters."

Outrageous! [Eek!]

Union or non-Union, it takes someone with know-how to run any film festival. For those of us who have been involved in film festivals, we know from first hand experience the condition many of the prints that are run.

It seems that the Cleveland International Film Festival has been put at risk by Mr. Forman, NOT Local 160.

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Joe Redifer
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Technology hasn't made the job obsolete. Technology has only made it possible for a single person to run many more screens. Hell, even a manager could run up and do reel changes every 20 minutes or so at a single screen. But they had a dude there full-time to keep an eye on things, just like there should be someone in a gigaplex booth full time.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Joe Redifer
Technology has only made it possible for a single person to run many more screens.
Not saying that any form of technology is bad, but unfortuately, technology is pointing the finger at some, but not all people and saying that "you now are stupid and an idiot, and I'll do things for you so you don't have to think and use your brain, plus very little effort to accomplish a task at hand!"

Thus, some companies are making their operations as idiot proof as possible since there are mainly idiots running these theatres due to the "stupidication" of society and technology that has brainwashed them.

And with the companies being aware of this, they give them as little as possible to better themselves, and by keeping them "stupid", keeps the operation in harmony.

Society is gonna pop and have another "revolution" against technology one of these days..

-Monte

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Carl Martin
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jeffry, have you noticed first-hand any differences in the quality of presentations at union vs. non-union houses in cleveland? from the letters you cite, one guy thinks the union operators at the cedar lee were awful (anecdotal), but the non-union operators screwed up the opening night of the festival (crossed wires??), which is probably an expensive and high-profile event to futz up. what's your take?

carl

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