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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster
Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 02-25-2005 07:59 AM
quote: John Walsh
The projectionists I worked with were so good, they would actually be considered technicians at most other chains. So, a big thumbs up to Lou, Steve, Brenda and Carlos. I had a great time working with you, and would suggest Local 110 to any theater owner desiring a first-rate operation.
John,
You really don't have a clue as to why 110 has the reputation it does.... aside from being started by organized crime way, way back. Just because you had four good operators there doesn't mean a thing. Having briefly been a part of 110 I can say that you are wrong! Back in the 80's I declined membership to 110 because I saw SO MANY incompetant operators that I did not want to be a part of what was a strictly buddy-buddy type union. Heck they had guys on lay-off but the brought me in.... go figure! I also had friends that were part of other locals that were far ahead of 110.... they were not buddy-buddy type operations, they brought in people that were inclined for the job or already experienced and they actually provided their operators with training. Seattle was one example. Today because of the 1990's GC/Cineplex lockout many of those incompetant operators are gone, back at their normal everyday jobs they were also doing at the time.... bankers, lawyers, etc. Now I could tell you about the one armed projectionist that 110 sent to a theatre I maintained at the time to run 70mm if you want to hear about it..... he was a nice guy though, someones buddy!
It may sound like I am against the IA but I'm not. Its just that over the time I have been working in this buisness I have seen more bad than good from them. For those that are part of well run locals, and perhaps Chicago has improved, I say great.... and keep up the good work!
Mark
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Jim Ziegler
Jedi Master Film Handler
Posts: 753
From: West Hollywood, CA
Registered: Jul 99
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posted 02-25-2005 04:02 PM
quote: John Walsh
I would agree with Gordon. Look into ANY organization and you can find bad behavior, be it doctors, cops, or whatever. Reasonable people know there will always be a few bad apples, and not to condemn the other 99% who do an honest day's work.
What you call bad behavior the FBI called "an act of domestic terrorism using a weapon of mass destruction" Amazing... Tell me, which group of rouge cops or doctors were out pulling terrorist attacks?
quote: Gordon McLeod
I am getting realy tired of listening to the same complaint chicago chicago... there are
Kind of like that same complaint you hear in the USA.. 9/11, 9/11.
quote: Gordon McLeod
thousands of IATSE members all over north america who go about there jobs in a competent and law abiding manner and they do not deserve the constant in your face attitude that seems to permiate some peoples mind set What happened there was wrong but to continually brand every other person is even more wrong
Were the perps thown out fo the IATSE? Was the local shut down? Did the IATSE do ANYTHING to assist the victims of the attacks carried out by its members? So you claim that to distrust an organization who, from everything I have seen, stands silent at the conduct of some of its members, is more wrong than the TERRORIST acts committed by some of its members? Amazing...
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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!
Posts: 12814
From: Annapolis, MD
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 02-26-2005 06:28 AM
Regarding M/O versus projectionist....I don't think the comments, including my own in various threads, are about the people, just the concept. That is, negative critiques are not saying the people suck as much as the concept of having the person that is responsible for all aspects of theatre operations, and customer service, should be the guy/gal in the booth on show turn arounds, or during mishaps or just distracted by any one job function period.
It is irrational to think one person can do the same job of two or more people, at the same time. Its not like the best projectionist in the world, if required, to then start managing the theatre wouldn't see his/her booth/presentation quality begin to suffer. You can come into the dual title job from either side and still end up with an inferior result.
Most people that run a booth, shouldn't...they just aren't that good either from a technical point of view or from just attitude. Anyone that has dealt with employees knows that either failing is equally a disaster.
Likewise, I've seen more bad managers than good (nothing to do with personality being bad...just were not good at "managing"...should have called their title "go through the motions" rather than "manager").
Now take those two groups and expect to have a good/great Manager/Operator? It is just isn't realistic, even if that person could clone themselves into two (or perhaps they are twins).
Other than crisis management, I see little in common between the operator's job and the manager's (neither can fall apart when the chips are down). It is a poor choice of combining jobs.
To sum it up again...the critiques on M/O are not about the people doing it, it is about the concept itself.
As to Local #110...it is easy to pick on...it is the most notorious, as is the entire city of Chicago and unions in general. However, the concept of Unions should not be associated with crime. Crime need not have a union card. Most every worthwhile worker protection that the government likes to take credit for came from organized labor, not the government...unions are not bad, just a necessary evil if you don't want a world of subsitance level wages.
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