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Steve Kraus
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 - posted 07-16-2004 06:45 PM      Profile for Steve Kraus     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Can someone...especially management or an owner...explain how the economics of the business have changed so drastically? In the days of single screens each theatre's revenue stream was sufficient to pay decent wages to a crew of projectionists sufficient to cover all shifts. By decent I know not everyone was getting fat big city rates, but sufficient to live on, raise a family etc. And usually wives didn't work. Now a single operator is covering a dozen or more screens and the wage rate is often something akin to fast food work. (Granted these screens aren't in front of a thousand seats each but I'd bet the overall seat count served by each operator is up many times over and the multitude of films shown to these seats increases the odds of getting paying butts in them.

So is this change in pay rates something that has occurred due to economic necessity or is it simply a matter of what can be gotten away with?

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Carl Martin
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 - posted 07-17-2004 03:48 AM      Profile for Carl Martin   Author's Homepage   Email Carl Martin   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
"what can be gotten away with" seems to turn very quickly into economic necessity.

quote: Jeffry L. Johnson
These jobs are typically held by high school students.
i.e. people exist who will work for peanuts. that's fine. just don't be surprised when they slack off, sass back to customers, and scratch films. low motivation and high turnover. it's what you're paying for.

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Scott Norwood
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I, too, would be interested in the history of this. I wouldn't be surprised if someone was just looking for ways to save money, and figured that there would be no loss of customers or increase in maintenance costs if a professional projectionist (union or not) were to be replaced with a near-minimum-wage kid. In a chain with 200 theatres, for example, saving $30k (a relatively small number) per theatre per year would add up to $6m per year for the chain (which is nothing to sneeze at).

The problem with the thinking here is that the assumptions are wrong, but not in any easily quantifiable way.

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Jeremy Fuentes
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 - posted 07-17-2004 10:51 PM      Profile for Jeremy Fuentes   Email Jeremy Fuentes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Here at my theater, it is me, and a teenager who mainly work the booth. Another manager sometimes starts shows too. I am the only one allowed to build movies, and work on equipment, so I guess this would make me the professional of the group. Or at least the closest to it. But I dont make nearly enough to raise a family, which I have, and I think I would be making even less money if I went back to Cinemark. This sucks, but I love the job.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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 - posted 02-24-2005 01:28 PM      Profile for Jeffry L. Johnson   Author's Homepage   Email Jeffry L. Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Festival of Scabs
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Festival of scabs
The latté and turtleneck crowd is hoping to redeem its spotty history of labor oppression.

Since 1977, the Cleveland Film Society has used union projectionists for its annual film festival. But this year the society got caught up in a larger fight between the projectionists' union and Jonathan Forman, owner of Cleveland Cinemas, which manages Tower City and other theaters around town.

Last year, Forman locked the union out of his theaters. A loophole in the contract said that projectionists could be replaced only by "managers." So Forman decided to make everyone a manager, from the ticket taker to the popcorn kid. The projectionists have been protesting at Forman's Cedar Lee ever since.

Now the bossman is returning fire. "Forman told the film society in no uncertain terms that if they negotiate with us, he'll lock them out of Tower City so they can't have their film festival there," says union chief John Galinac.

At first blush, the society would seem to have no choice but to side with the union. Union leaders raised money for the festival, and last year Galinac coaxed a $10,000 donation from Paul Newman. But when Galinac called to discuss a contract for this year, he was routed to the society's lawyer. "I was told they can't negotiate with us this year," he says.

Society director Marcie Goodman dodges the issue: "Our focus is on providing the best film festival we can," which is French for "We sell out our friends."

Meanwhile, the county commissioners are pissed. They gave the society a $15,000 grant last year. But now that union guys won't be showing the movies, commissioners won't be sending their dough. "We told them we can't be part of the festival until you fix this," says Kathy Doyle, chief of staff for Commissioner Tim Hagan. "So fix it."

"We're not happy about it," adds Commissioner Jimmy Dimora.

Forman defends his record. "We've created hundreds of jobs over the last 28 years, both union and non-union," he says. "We've restored buildings all over Northeast Ohio, using union and non-union help. We've contributed to the quality of life throughout Northeast Ohio."

Somehow, Punch can't quite understand how union-busting enhances our quality of life.

With the exception of 1999, I have been a projectionist during the film festival every year since 1984.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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The projectionists have been protesting at Forman's Cedar Lee ever since.

Waste of time. This is a battle that will either be won or lost in court. Calling someone a "manager" does not make them so for the purposes of labor law. The regulations look at job responsibilities.

If the union has not filed it's complaints with the National Labor Relations Board, and started legal proceedings for breach of contract, then picketing is just worthless.

The film festival needs the theatres more than the theatre needs the festival.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 02-24-2005 06:26 PM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
To me any form of picketing really just runs the union further into a rut and puts a negative flavor into the public's mouth, other unoin's members excepted but they are really a minoroty of the movie going public in any city. It would appear to me that what the IATSE needs is to hire many more sharp lawyers than they now have, at least if they want to legally get any place at all with these types of situations. And legally is the only way anything will stick in place. I've got to wonder who the jackass was that missed the loophole in the contract in the first place.....?

Mark

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Mike Spaeth
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Let's not forget the black eye the IATSE put on ITSELF through its Chicago local and their series of indictments for the manager attack & subsequent terrorist attacks on theatres throughout the country. And they wonder why they have a bad name?

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Gordon McLeod
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mike union bashing seems your goal
chicago is non starter for if you want to take there example then I could very easily find so many more tactics used by many employers that have had more investigations against them in there history to tip the scales

and in this case the festival should be cancled as no matter how you slice it if a unions financial backing was involved it could not be held in a location that has black listed them

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Jim Ziegler
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Chicago thing a non starter? Gordon, one of the theaters that was attacked by the little group of TERRORISTS that was connected to the Chicago union was one I worked at. The people injured were my collegues and crew - who, being several hundred miles away from Chicago - had nothing to do with any of the unions gripes. Do not DARE try and minimize acts of TERRORISM using chemical weapons.

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Darryl Spicer
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They also attacked the theatre I work at. Although I was not working there at the time I was working at one of our other theatres. I don't remember anyone being hurt however there was some damage to the auditorium that it occured in.

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Jim Ziegler
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We spent about $3000 on the cleanup and had some superficial fire damage. Several theatre employees - mostly managers - were sent to the ER or treated on the scene due to prolonged exposure to the chemicals. The building was evacuated with zero customer injuries. I will not however, that one of the devices was placed near the fire exit of a sold out 600 seat theatre. Luckily, that device was slow to detonate and the theatre was evacuated before it went off. The individuals who planted them, however, were out to hurt people - and they did not care who.

I dunno.. Maybe some elements of the Chicago IATSE thinks that trying to hurt people will help them in contract negotiations.

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Gordon McLeod
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I am getting realy tired of listening to the same complaint chicago chicago... there are thousands of IATSE members all over north america who go about there jobs in a competent and law abiding manner and they do not deserve the constant in your face attitude that seems to permiate some peoples mind set What happened there was wrong but to continually brand every other person is even more wrong

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Jeremy Fuentes
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Yeah, so what people could have been killed. I mean get over it already. As soon as they would have died, more people would have been born to replace them. Complain complain complain...

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John Walsh
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I would agree with Gordon. Look into ANY organization and you can find bad behavior, be it doctors, cops, or whatever. Reasonable people know there will always be a few bad apples, and not to condemn the other 99% who do an honest day's work.

And having personally worked with several members of Chicago's local 110, I know they are law abiding professionals. The projectionists I worked with were so good, they would actually be considered technicians at most other chains. So, a big thumbs up to Lou, Steve, Brenda and Carlos. I had a great time working with you, and would suggest Local 110 to any theater owner desiring a first-rate operation.

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