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Wolff King Morrow
Master Film Handler

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From: Denton, TX, USA
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 - posted 06-20-2004 02:36 AM      Profile for Wolff King Morrow   Author's Homepage   Email Wolff King Morrow   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
I see a lot of young people in these forums, and you had better all get politically active and be voting next year. If Bush is re-elected, and if the Rich Republicans capture more than 60 seats in the Senate, plus controlling the House, we are going to see an escalating disaster which will make today's events seem like a church picnic. On the national, Congressional level, the Republicans represent the upper strata of the richest 1% and THAT IS ALL.
Reading political spam like this always burns me out. Go to the Sean Hannity forums and try your theory over there. PLENTY of well-educated debate-artists will clean your clock on that one.

I'm young, make barely above minimum wage as a booth manager, yet I vote republican. This is why I feel a bit insulted every time I read a post trying to indoctrinate younger people into voting democrat using unsubstantiated accusations and ridiculous conspiracies. I'd prefer to read that in a political thread if you don't mind next time. Thanks.

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Bob Koch
Expert Film Handler

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 - posted 06-20-2004 11:10 PM      Profile for Bob Koch   Email Bob Koch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wolf Morrow:
Much of what`s wrong with this country is self admitted minimum wage earners, such as yourself, dreaming they`re Republicans. "you want fries with thet"

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Sean McKinnon
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I think this is EXACTLY why political discussions are banned on these forums, and the political forum had to be closed down.

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Lyle Romer
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 - posted 06-21-2004 12:20 AM      Profile for Lyle Romer   Email Lyle Romer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Brad,

I would like to suggest that this thread be locked. I know I'm one of the people that added to the political debate but politics has no place on this forum. The original comment which led to my reply and Wolff's reply should have been deleted when it was entered.

We each have our own beliefs, and those beliefs should be debated but this forum is not the place for it.

Thanks,
Lyle

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Jeremy Fuentes
Mmmm, Dr. Pepper!

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From: Corpus Christi, TX United States
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 - posted 06-21-2004 07:27 AM      Profile for Jeremy Fuentes   Email Jeremy Fuentes   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I dont think locking this thread is a good idea. Remove the political comments and put those who made them on a probation period for a while. Many others are still interested in discussing union projectionists.

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Thomas Procyk
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 - posted 06-21-2004 11:20 AM      Profile for Thomas Procyk   Email Thomas Procyk   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
If there are any more political comments on this thread,

>>>I<<< WILL LOCK IT!!! [evil]

Brad Miller in '04! [Big Grin]

=TMP=

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Mark Lensenmayer
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 - posted 06-21-2004 11:38 AM      Profile for Mark Lensenmayer   Email Mark Lensenmayer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Pulling out the big wrench to pull this back on topic:

Re: Cleveland lockout

Jeffry,

Please update this here. How are relations with Regal? Is this move likely to close-out the union in Cleveland?

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Jeffry L. Johnson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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 - posted 06-22-2004 09:05 AM      Profile for Jeffry L. Johnson   Author's Homepage   Email Jeffry L. Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
AMC: technician contract.
Cinemark: full booth (lead projectionist + usher B's).
Cleveland Cinemas: locked out of all locations (2 full booth, 2 shared, 2 non-union).
Loews/Magic Johnson: non-union.
Regal: shared booth at most locations, some are non-union.

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Frank Angel
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Occasionally real life and politics do cross. It's better when they don't, but when they do, it makes no sense not to acknowledging the connection, if only indirectly. Somewhat like trying to have a theological discussion without mentioning God.

When politics has an impact on the topic, I don't see any reason not to touch on those points. Using the forum to aspouse political positions not pertinent to the issue, of course, is out of place. But to say that Republicans are not generally pro-union and union projectionists demanding a living wage would probably not find many friends on the Republican side of the isle, seems to me to be on topic. Those who suggest differently should also be able to post such an opinion as it relates directly to the topic.

In the end, Brad will let anyone know if the political content of any particular post is not strictly related to the thread.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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 - posted 06-23-2004 07:22 PM      Profile for Jeffry L. Johnson   Author's Homepage   Email Jeffry L. Johnson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Rat Bastards

quote:

Thomas Mulready, proprietor of CoolCleveland.com, likes to tout his website as the place for all that's "edgy, innovative and eye-opening in Cleveland." But this description apparently doesn't include giant rats.

At a Cool Cleveland bash on Coventry last Thursday, wannabe hipsters flocked to the neighborhood anchored by the venerable Cedar Lee Theater, which shows movies with no explosions or car chases, which means they're art.

But there are problems afoot at the Cedar Lee. Owner Jon Forman fired all his union employees in April. He claimed he no longer had any employees, since everyone who works for him is now officially a "manager." The punk selling you popcorn? He's a "concessions manager." The pimply kid taking tickets? That's the "floor manager."

Forman's company, Cleveland Cinemas, also manages the theaters at Tower City and Shaker Square, as well as Chagrin Cinemas, where all the unionized projectionists were fired, too. The move allowed Forman to cut wages from $15 an hour to between $7 and $10, says John Galinac, business agent for Local 160.

The union has filed two complaints with the National Labor Relations Board, and the case looks pretty open-and-shut. "You cannot fire people for being in a union," says Patricia Gilbert, spokeswoman for the board.

But as the cases languish in the federal bureaucracy, the union decided to run a little street protest. So they broke out the giant inflatable rat, a key accessory to any stylish labor action.

Alas, it seems that Cool Clevelanders aren't big on livable wages -- at least for anybody but themselves. They told Galinac they were offended by the presence of a 12-foot rodent parked in the middle of their party, which was soooo inappropriate.

"Some people thought it was over the top," Galinac says. "It looked like Godzilla. It was taller than the marquee."

Even business owners on the block thought the Cool Clevelanders were getting upset over nothing. "It didn't bother me," says Kevin Needham, owner of the Pub on Lee.



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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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"Rat Bastards"...

I like it [Big Grin]

We'll have to see how things go here for the remaining IA stagehands in town. Mandalay Resort Group here has agreed to be bought out by MGM Mirage. The Mandalay Resort Group hotels (Mandalay Bay, Luxor, Excalibur, Monte Carlo, Circus Circus) all have IA stage contracts, but MGM Mirage (Bellagio, MGM Grand, The Mirage, Treasure Island, New York New York, Boardwalk) is most decidedly non-union when it comes to stagehands, a long-standing company tradition stemming from original Mirage owner Steve Wynn's personal hatred for IATSE Local 720 here. The buyout will take about a year, assuming it passes muster with the Nevada Gaming Control Board and federal anti-trust concerns. In fifteen years of trying, the IA has never been able to either win an election or get a contract signed with any MGM Mirage property. We'll see how this goes.

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Dustin Mitchell
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Incidently, giving someone the title of 'manager' doesn't necessarily make them a manager. At least in Wisconsin one has to have a certain number of employees that he/she directly supervises.

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Frank Angel
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quote: Jeffry L. Johnson
The union has filed two complaints with the National Labor Relations Board, and the case looks pretty open-and-shut.
My experience has been with regard to the NLRB and quite a number of projectionists complaints brought before its august commissioners by the union, what seems to be "open and shut" to the reasonable eye of ordinary folk who are usually pretty good at understanding what is fair and what is not, the decisions handed down many times seem completely unfair, and usually against the worker. The NLRB seems to have been emmasculated as have many regulatory agencies under certain administrations. Its power, or let's say its propensity to use its power to protect labor, seems to ebb and flow; if you happen to be seeking help when it is ebbing, you may find that your barking up the NLRB tree will gain you nada.

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Paul G. Thompson
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I agree with Dustin. There is always a possibility that some of these so called "managers" could not manage to get themselves out of a wet paper bag even if the top was left open or the wet paper bag had a big hole in it. [Big Grin]

The term manager is so grossly misused where the term itself is practically worthless.

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Peter Kerchinsky
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Hey Paul:
As usual you've taken the words right out of my mouth.
A friend of mine who worked for Regal said he had to deal with a "booth manager".
What the hell is that?
A booth person is someone, I assume, runs the booth.
A booth manager, uh, runs what? Does this person go in and "talk" to the equipment, like "I'm the manager dammit, you run right!"
Could never understand what a booth manager does. Maybe you could explain.

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