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Paul Mayer
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For Chris, minimum wage in 1972 was around $1.65-1.80/hour depending on one's age. In 1973 I worked for a very short time as a sales clerk at a local electronics shop for that rate. I also worked as a part-time bag smasher and ramp rat at the local airport for $2.50/hour. Landed my first paid job in TV that year too, as a cameraman/VTR operator for the local PBS station at $3.95/hour. In 1974, I was recruited into Local 720 (they were desparate for TV people at the time) with camera assistant or utility rates being somewhere around $7.00/hour.

Don't remember McDonalds prices [Big Grin] but regular gas was around $0.50/gallon here in 1973, before the gas crisis that December. $5.00 would fill my '68 VW Type 1 back then!

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Jon Miller
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Adjusted for inflation, that 1972 minimum wage ($7.25-7.91) and the 1974 utility rate ($26.08) were quite good compared to today's comparable wages. Fifty-cent-a-gallon gas in 1973, though, isn't much of a bargain in retrospect ($2.07, adjusted for inflation). (Cost of Living Calculator, American Institute for Economic Research).

Speaking of union projectionists in Chicago, I found this in a 1946 IATSE convention edition of International Projectionist:

 - (would be $23.55 today [Smile] )

How popular were these "union label" trailers?

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Philipp E. Quadra
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Bill, independent or non-union projectionist are paid on per screening for private screenings whether it's a 35mm, video, dlp and other on a PRIVATE THEATER(Rentals)in Los Angeles. To my knowledge almost all private screening theaters in the Los Angeles are booked till Dec'03 or Jan '04, because they are no longer giving screeners to academy members. The screenings are a combination of independents and major studio releases. As I have mentioned before these are the rates being paid as follows:

Monday to Friday per screening $225-250, double screening $400
Saturday, Sunday & Holidays per screenings $350-400

The main function of the projectionist is just to run the film and are paid directly by the theater owners to independent/non-union projectionist as independent contractor no other benefits just the monetary compensation for their services. I get paid if there is a screening same as the projectionist.
No Screenings NO Mula. Screenings = Mula!

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Erika McCarty
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Steve Kraus
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Ah but the same economics formerly allowed projectionists to earn enough to make a career of it. And that was when the nature of the work required one per screen. Now if there are two people running say, two dozen screens, that's 1/12 of an operator per screen and they are getting paid (adjusting for inflation) maybe 1/3 as much which means that in effect the labor costs have been cut (in this example) to 1/36 of what it used to be. It's true that xenon, platters, and automation have reduced both the amount of labor and the skill level needed to put on the average show. And it's not necessary for a high-skills person to lace up each show and push the button. But often there are no high skills persons working at the theatre at all nor can there be when people cannot afford to stick around long enough to really build up those skills.

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Justin West
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Theaters (and all businesses) get what they paid for. If management is receptive to high turnover and relies on "booth ushers" to handle its' shows, they will live (and die) by the consequences. Economics is part of it...GREED is a big part of it...and I am not targeting any chain or small theater mgt...I mean business in general in this country operates without any answer to the question: How much profit is ENOUGH? If management expects commitment from employees, management ought to offer more than McJobs.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Cinemark does have collective bargaining agreements in some IATSE Local jurisdictions.

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Darryl Spicer
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quote:
Cinemark does have collective bargaining agreements in some IATSE Local jurisdictions.

That is correct. In some situations they have both non and union affiliates working the same booth. A lot goes in to deciding who runs the booth, at least in my theater and area. You must be 18 years old read the booth guidelines and take the test that comes with it before you touch anything in the booth. You also must have and show that you can handle the situations of a booth. That's determind when I train the person. If I see they can't grasp what I am teaching or handle certain situations in three days of training with me, then they fail and they will not work the booth. If they do show promise then they are closely trained even further over a course of time through me. I don't try to force it on them all at once to avoid confusion. The booth is to important to me to allow a bunch of mistakes or problems to occure. A lot of times I have people come to me from other cinemark locations to learn more about the booth and I am always willing to teach them what they need to know.

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Joe Schmidt
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A very perceptive Yale student has written the following, which was published in the Yale Daily News Friday 11/14. I would add to his thoughts only this: based on current trends, we are going to see things get far, far worse in this nation before they get better, if they do at all.

The rich are doing very well, while the poor get poorer. Perhaps it has always been this way, but the middle class is shrinking as it never has before, and the jobs aren’t coming back.

I see a lot of young people in these forums, and you had better all get politically active and be voting next year. If Bush is re-elected, and if the Rich Republicans capture more than 60 seats in the Senate, plus controlling the House, we are going to see an escalating disaster which will make today’s events seem like a church picnic. On the national, Congressional level, the Republicans represent the upper strata of the richest 1% and THAT IS ALL.

Now, here’s the article.

-- World is not ready for “open borders” --

By Steven Starr, YALE ‘05

In his Oct. 31 speech at Woolsey Hall, former President Bill Clinton expressed his support for international trade, insisting, "America has greater obligations to open up borders and to invest more in development in poor countries." While terms like "open borders" and "development in poor countries" sound inviting, there is a darker side to utopian visions of a more unified and open world. Freer international trade can be devastating for all citizens of the "global community" -- whether they are residents of the United States or of a "poor" American trading partner.

The U.S. economy lost 2.81 million jobs during the recession that began with the bursting of the tech bubble in March of 2000. Conservative estimates indicate that anywhere from 500,000 to 600,000 of these American jobs -- mostly in manufacturing -- have been transplanted overseas.

But statistics fail to convey the seriousness of these massive job losses. On Oct. 6, the Carrier Corporation -- a manufacturer of air conditioners based in Syracuse, New York -- announced that it would be closing its two Syracuse manufacturing plants. Carrier indicated that workers in China, Singapore and Georgia would replace the 1,200 laid-off Syracuse employees. According to Carrier Chief Executive George David, it is three times more expensive to build units in the United States than in Asia; indeed, to remain competitive, Carrier was forced to relocate its manufacturing plants.

Ironically, just this past May Mr. Clinton gave a commencement address to graduating Syracuse University seniors in the Carrier Dome -- the veritable manifestation of Carrier's importance to the Syracuse community. Of course, Mr. Clinton didn't know that the "global community" he touted in his speech would cause 1,200 Syracuse residents to lose their jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the soon-to-be-unemployed Carrier workers watched his son or daughter graduate at that commencement.

Unfortunately, the future also looks grim for the Syracuse graduates that Clinton addressed. While thus far most of the "exported jobs" have been in manufacturing, professional labor is rapidly becoming a global commodity. American companies are increasingly finding their engineers, stock analysts and software designers abroad -- primarily in China, Russia and India. Morgan Stanley, for example, is increasing its number of analysts in Bombay, but not in New York, while Boeing has hired Moscow engineers and reduced its Seattle engineering staff.

For American companies it is a simple matter of cost-benefit analysis. Labor hired abroad is often half the cost of the high salaries, pensions and health insurance of an equivalent American workforce. And when frugal corporate officers consider the bottom line, concerns about community and civic responsibility carry little weight.

OK, so globalization doesn't seem so rosy for people in the United States. But what about the residents of countries like China? Surely these people are benefiting from the new job opportunities created by a massive influx of American capital.

Residents of developing countries are also getting the short end of the global stick. A recent series of New York Times articles have probed the abuses of Chinese workers at the hands of China's booming corporations. In one article, Shen Yunxiang, an employee at a pharmaceutical company in Taizhou, China, offered a story of particularly horrific disregard for human life. Mr. Shen was told to descend into a subterranean drainage pipe and knock down a barricade that had been diverting the flow of industrial waste. He and his brother-in-law climbed into the pipe and were immediately overwhelmed by a wave of noxious fumes. His brother-in-law died from the fumes; Mr. Shen lost consciousness and was hospitalized with severe lung congestion. Perhaps most shocking, however, is the fact that the company sent another worker into the pipe the very next day. This worker also died, along with a security guard who had tried to save him.

Mr. Clinton envisions a global community based on shared responsibilities, benefits and values. Unfortunately, the value that most quickly penetrates national borders is good old-fashioned American capitalism. And while in the United States the dangers of capitalism have been countered by government regulation and supervision, in an international community of 192 sovereign countries uniform and just regulation is nearly impossible. The result is that well-paid American jobs are replaced by sweatshop labor abroad, that safe working conditions and environmental concerns are sacrificed in a ruthless attempt to lower the bottom line.

Without the enforcement of international labor and environmental standards, free trade will lead to the devastation of the United States' economy and the ruthless exploitation of workers and natural resources in developing countries. It is essential that we prepare for an international economy with effective international labor and environmental laws. Without these regulations, "open borders" and "global community" will have a catastrophic influence on both American and foreign communities.

Steven Starr is a junior in Saybrook College.

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Justin West
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Re: "World is not ready for “open borders” --
By Steven Starr, YALE ‘05"

Wow, Joe, that kid is right on target!!! Glad to see some of the younger generation has a grip on what is happening around them. And I will add to what was written about all jobs being shipped out of this country, from manufacturing to tech/skilled jobs, by surmising that as the theater industry enters the digital era, those satellite feeds of movies/programs to the individual theaters can be sent out from locations outside the USA to computerized projection equipment that can be started and stopped remotely by same satellite...and thus will more jobs disappear in that field...and the "manager" of each theatre will be the kid who used to leave the concession counter to go push the button on the projector set-up...either that or, in this race-to-the-bottom reality, the manager will earn the wages that the popcorn kid USED to earn. None of us in the middle and lower economic classes in this country are benefitting from the insatiable greed of the wealthiest class...who would just as soon have all of us working on McJobs.

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Darryl Spicer
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For many many years the United states has been becoming a service industy based country. If you look around you you will see more and more businesses opening that center around service. Larage malls and shopping centers, Restraunts left and right and movie complexes all popping up all over town. In some cases you will find areas designated in zoning as being industry being re-zoned as business service. The big problem with the industry issue is that supply and demand fluctuates to much to cover the high wages and cost of materieals to make the products. I am not saying that I want to see these jobs go to other countries but unfortunately it is the bottom line that is always looked at. Minimum wage really no longer fits as a standard of pay anymore. All it is, is a guideline that says don't pay less than this. I know people who have started at places such as McDonalds making more than $6 an hour to run the cash register. The service industry is very competative when it comes to hiring labor. If you want to keep someone good you have to pay more than the guy down the road. This is what causes the high turnover rate and is the reason why young people are prevailent in this area. Same goes for management of these types of businesses. It is harder to manage them because of the high turnover an the limits of pay that are forced upon them by the bottom line keepers. Managers can reap more benafits and money in some circumstances with these jobs than if they were in a manufacturing industry. It all depends on who you work for.

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Cinema Labor Pains
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News : Cinema Labor Pains : Union files complaints against local theater chain
By Amy Starnes
Wednesday, June 09, 2004

Reel Trouble
The Cedar Lee, target of union complaints.

A UNION REPRESENTING movie projectionists claims its workers have been locked out of their jobs at four theaters owned or operated by Cleveland Cinemas. The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 160 has filed two complaints with the National Labor Relations Board over the treatment of workers by Cleveland Cinemas and owner Jonathan Forman. Forman declined to comment for this story.

The first blow to the union came in early April when Chagrin Cinemas owner Larry Dolan, also owner of the Cleveland Indians, hired Cleveland Cinemas to operate his facility.

John Galinac, business agent for Local 160, said he wasn't much concerned about the transaction at first, because in the past Dolan had hired a cinema operator who had worked well with the union, and the union already had workers at Cleveland Cinemas' Cedar Lee, Shaker Square and Tower City properties.

Galinac says Forman told all employees they would be rehired if they filled out applications for Cleveland Cinemas, but when he dropped off the forms, the union projectionists were never told. Galinac said all the workers in the front of the movie house had an opportunity to apply, but only one projectionist managed to find a form and submit it.

We should have been able to apply, but we weren't offered [the opportunity] to apply. We were not even given the opportunity because of our union affiliation, Galinac claims.

That employee showed up for work on April 9, but Galinac says he was turned away by a Cleveland Cinemas employee and told, Didn't the union tell you that the union doesn't represent anyone anymore, and there are no more union positions here anymore?

Galinac says that when the employee was allowed to go to his booth and collect his personal belongings, he noticed non-union employees running the projection equipment.

The union projectionists were making about $18.25 per hour, while other similar non-supervisory, non-union positions at the theaters make about half that wage, and most don't have benefits, Galinac says.

Then on April 26, Galinac says, Forman's lawyer sent him a letter indicating that on June 1, Cleveland Cinemas was eliminating all dedicated projectionist positions at the Shaker Square, Cedar Lee and Tower City theaters, effectively laying off the employees.

Galinac acknowledges that there has been a trend in the industry to move away from dedicated projectionist positions to employing non-union workers who do a variety of work. But, he says, the union is open to renegotiating the contract in order to retain the number of positions and number of hours the workers had, and is willing to continue to change work rules to allow the employees to handle other duties rather than solely operate projection equipment during their shifts.

The union and Cleveland Cinemas negotiated during three meetings in May, moderated by a representative from the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service. Galinac says that Forman wanted to reduce the workload from 160 hours a week split by several people to just 40 hours a week for one full-time and one part-time service technician, who would drive among all the theaters repairing equipment. Galinac would not agree to such a switch.

The end result is that as of Tuesday (June 1), we are locked out of Tower City, Shaker and Cedar Lee, and we are continuing to be locked out of Chagrin Cinemas, he says.

Allen Binstock, a field attorney for the National Labor Relations Board, is investigating Local 160's complaint about the actions at Chagrin Cinemas. A separate investigator is handling the complaint against Cleveland Cinemas. Binstock says he has met with the union and interviewed witnesses but is waiting for the company to respond to the charge.

At the end of his investigation, Binstock will make a recommendation to the NLRB's regional director in Cleveland, who will determine whether there is probable cause that the National Labor Relations Act was violated, and will decide whether to issue a complaint against the employer, unless the company is willing to settle the matter.

If not, a hearing will be scheduled before an administrative law judge, who will rule on the merits of the allegations and order a remedy if needed.



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Craig Kocher
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The Theater Chain I work for is Non-Union but I'm still required to take this state certification test pretty soon. I Got my 100 page work book from work. Jesus Christ. Looks like I'm back in High School again as far as Projecting goes. Oh well, I enjoy the hell out of it so I dont really care, Just wish I was making those union wages for what I will eventually know about these machines.

Craig

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Movie projectionists plan protest today [2004 June 17]
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ENTERTAINMENT

Movie projectionists plan protest today

The union representing projectionists at four local theaters plans to protest this afternoon outside the Cedar Lee Theater in Cleveland Heights. The projectionists - represented by the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 160 - say they were locked out of Cedar Lee, Shaker Square Cinemas and Tower City Cinemas on June 1, and out of Chagrin Cinemas on April 9. They say theater owner Jon Foreman has replaced them with lower-paid employees. Foreman declined to discuss the dispute because of a pending National Labor Relations Board review.

- Plain Dealer reporter Alison Grant

2004 The Plain Dealer.


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Lyle Romer
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quote: Joe Schmidt
On the national, Congressional level, the Republicans represent the upper strata of the richest 1% and THAT IS ALL.
Joe,

I normally wouldn't reply to a political topic on this forum but let's get real here. I am not in the richest 1% (far from it) and the republicans represent ME in most cases. The rich democrat politicians (the vast vast majority of national level politicians in both parties are already rich) don't represent the shrinking middle class either. Sure democrats tend to want to give a lot more help to minorities and the poorest of the poor but what they represent is rich people who feel guilty about how much money they have and feel bad for the poor.

But back to the point at hand, all of this gloom and doom if Republicans control stuff is bunk. Look what happened the last time the Democrats had control of everything for and extended period of time. Hint: Jimmy Carter was president.

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