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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Friends of mine tell me that the presentation quality is worse now. The managers cannot run prints through the opening weekend without scratching them. I recently ran some reels for a local filmmaker who complained to me about the terrible projection at the Cedar Lee Theater.

I do not have firsthand knowledge of specific details because Cleveland Cinemas will not allow union projectionists to enter their theaters. We are turned away at the ticket booths. Even if we have tickets we are refused entrance. At some locations our pictures are posted.

When the Cedar Lee Theater was a shared booth I sometimes worked an extra shift there on assignment. On more than one occasion, when arriving to work following a manager's shift, I would stop shows to correct threading errors. I would carry balls of emulsion to the manager.

While the Cedar Lee Theater was one of the first theaters to install an optical stereo system in the Cleveland area, it has not kept up with technology and other theaters. Five of its six screens use only A-type noise reduction. Only two screens have three screen channels located behind the screen. Two others are center/surround systems and the final two place left screen on the left wall and right screen on the right wall. At Tower City Cinemas nine of eleven screens use only A-type noise reduction.

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Will Kutler
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Is there any reason why Cleveland Cinemas will not allow union projectionists in their theatres?

Why does this cinema chain post projectionists pictures?

If a union projectionist is visiting the theatre as a paying customer, and has no history of physical threats or actual assults against the company, and is unjustly being denied admittance, then should this not be considered discrimination?

Do I hear...LAWSUIT"?!

Cheers

K

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Richard May
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Oh my god!!! Theater companies no longer use union operators?? [Eek!] Let me tell my employer. I must have been here by mistake for the last 12 years. ASSHOLE [fu]

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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then should this not be considered discrimination? Do I hear...LAWSUIT"?!

I don't think so. Unless they are discriminating based upon race, religion, or other government specified group, private business in this country can refuse to serve anyone for any reason. Period.

A few years ago, a lawyer in New York City lost a lawsuit against a landlord that refused to rent him an apartment just because he was a lawyer. This was upheld on appeal.

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Rick Raskin
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quote: Jeffry L. Johnson
At some locations our pictures are posted.

That bothers me. They have no right to post your picture as if you were some criminal. Who the hell do they think they are, the Post Office? Your Local need to contact an attourney.

quote:
the print would be put in the projector backwards, causing subtitles to be reversed
Assuming it was an optical sound print the why didn't the jerk would also complain about no sound.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Speaking in Inspector Cloussous voice.......

Imbeciles! Geet yourselves vone of my secret disguises...... [Razz] . Then you can have the last laugh!

Mark

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Skilled trades painfully fade to black
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Skilled trades painfully fade to black
Technology puts the squeeze on workers, cities
Saturday, March 19, 2005
Chris Seper
Plain Dealer Reporter

Neil Klepetko first felt like an endangered species 15 years ago.

That's when his film projectionists union started suggesting he learn something new. The movie industry was changing, they said, and someday a single person would be able to do the work it took dozens to do.

That day is here -- not only for folks like Klepetko, but for other workers as well. Innovation and an emerging service-oriented economy have put Cleveland's principles in a crucible.

The projectionists' plight and labor issues like those surrounding Wal-Mart highlight the squeeze on both workers and the city, say local economists, union officials and workers feeling the crunch.

Technological advances have eroded better-paid trade jobs, making some talents obsolete.

And city leaders seem more likely than ever to break with their traditional union allies to lure jobs, even if they don't pay much.

"A lot of things . . . might be a second-best choice, like a non-unionized Wal-Mart and casino gambling," said Barbara Sherman-Rolleston, an economics professor at Baldwin-Wallace College. "But over time people's attitudes begin to change. They see other places doing it and see it as the wave of the future."

A half-century ago, film projection work was as complex as it was daring. A pair of workers would staff metal booths, deftly rotating projectors in mid-film as one ran out and the another started rolling. Sometimes, they were forced to flee when nitrate film ignited, spewing flames and toxic fumes.

But in today's air-conditioned projection rooms, giant silver platters benignly churn Hollywood hits. Some movies arrive on hard drives that slip into computerized projectors.

Multiplexes that used to need two dozen projectionists to manage their films now rely on only two. Plus, many theaters can train ushers to work alongside the traditionally better-paid projectionists.

Cleveland Cinemas, host of the Cleveland International Film Festival, consolidated projectionist jobs and gave the responsibility to nonunion employees. That triggered a protest by the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 160, which represents a dwindling number of projectionists: 50 today compared to 160 in 1982.

Sour economies have union strongholds like Cleveland particularly under siege, said Andy Welki, an assistant economics professor at John Carroll University. Labor's influence continues to wane since so many businesses can easily take jobs to other cities and states - and in some cases, countries - with fewer labor regulations.

Recent political back-and-forth over Wal-Mart moving into the near West Side highlights developers' leverage over the city and its work force, economists said.

Cleveland Mayor Jane Campbell wants Wal-Mart executives to reconsider abandoning a store in Steelyard Commons, the new retail development near Ohio 176. Wal-Mart announced earlier this month that it wouldn't open there. Wal-Mart is one of the state's largest employers, yet it is also criticized for low pay that pushes many workers onto state safety-net programs.

But when it comes to retail development, many businesses won't move into a neighborhood unless a larger retailer steps in first, Welki said. So cities need Wal-Mart-like anchors in new developments.

"You need Wal-Mart more than Wal-Mart needs you," Welki said.

Jun Koo, an assistant professor in the Maxine Goodman Levin College of Urban Affairs at Cleveland State University, said lower-paid service jobs are the only short-term option for a region "too seriously behind to make such a smooth transition from a traditional manufacturing economy to a knowledge economy."

"Some people criticize this approach because these are usually low-paying jobs," Koo wrote in an e-mail. "However, you have to consider that, for many Clevelanders who lost their jobs, the option might be either no job or low-paying jobs unless a serious retraining process is involved.

"When you are sick, you need to take some pain killers," he said, noting, however, that "we can't take pain killers forever."

Projectionists have seen the writing on the wall for some time. The union's national office for years has said workers should learn more about the movie houses where they worked. It spent money to retrain projectionists on cutting-edge equipment.

Fifteen years ago when Klepetko was first warned, the union talked about learning HVAC - better known as heating, ventilation and air conditioning.

"I didn't even know what HVAC was," Klepetko said. "I had to look it up."

But soon after that he opened Neil's Refrigeration. He now services some of the theaters where he works as a projectionist and does some janitorial work.

"You've got to become the most valuable guy in the theater," Klepetko said. "Or else they may not need you."


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Bill Gabel
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Well just got a print that TES shipped to me that last played the Cleveland Film Festival.

All the reels were built-up using Yellow tape. They sharpie marked the frame line into the picture area. They china marked each head and tail, as if it was never going to come off (Very hard). China marked 5 feet on each side of the splice. They used a small piece of used splicing tape or nothing to place head and tails back on to the reel. And used the cheapest masking tape you can get.

This print was new when it left here. It only had one other play date before going there.

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Richard May
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That's to be expected when you use unqualified people to run the booth. (Union or Non-Union).

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Mike Spaeth
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Yay! A Disclaimer! No more arguing!

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Richard May
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I thought you would like that, Mike. [Wink]

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Jon Morgan
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I don't think a projection union exists in this area, but to be honest I'm kind of glad it doesn't. I'm sure some of the muliplexes in the area could afford better wages, but as it stands I pay my staff the most I can afford to anyway without the inflated wages. But, even though I don't know a single union projectionists, I know some very skilled operators. I know some losers, too, but let's not mention that.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Course, the big thing that is occuring in this country and possibly abroad, is the invasion of what's called: "Service orientated" occupations - the "MacDonald's, the "Wally's World" (dba Wal-Mart to the newbies..lol),the "Target's" the "ShopKo's", and so forth. And what dwells in these huge conglomerates is the words: "TEAMWORK!"

This atmosphere of "TEAMWORK" has also been induced into the theatres-actually a long time ago.

BUT......

The projectionists, union and non-union were excempt of this term due to our trade and skills that we have. In the olden days and some to the recent, what we had was still appreciated and honored due to our professional "film handlings."

We are in a team of ourselves. We never were involved with the operations of the theatre. We just had too much responsibility as it was.

But the "suits" gets a little twisted knowing that within their buildings, not everyone is on the same page pertaining to "teamwork." This disrupts the harmony of the operation and these upper people could fear of contention amongst the floor "team."

The "suits" were trained to be the main leader and he is to be the only one who can be the successful one in the theatre.

Some "suits" could feel threatened that if there is another person who is smarter more successful and more skilled than him, he's the "blue collar" tradesman and skilled laborer working in his building. His staff would be looking up to that person than the "suit." Thus, the "suit" will do anything to make that "blue collar" person one of the staff-to be placed down in that floor staff level.

Nobody is to have anything above the other within the building, outside of the management personnel. Everybody is to be on the same plane. TEAMWORK is the main thing for a smooth operation.

Now, actually there is nothing wrong with teamwork. It can be quite beneficial to any business out there. It all depends HOW the employees are treated for their team efforts in accomplishing their tasks. But, unfortunately, this isn's always so.

-Monte

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Richard May
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Here in NYC, teamwork has nothing to do with projectionists. Companies just want the unions out. This way they can put in anyone they want at a fraction of the cost. They don't care about presentation. They know that the majority of the people will come back no matter how bad the show looks and sounds. It's a different business now compared to years ago. [Frown]

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Aaron Mehocic
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quote: Richard May
It's a different business now compared to years ago.
Consider this . . .

I've operated film projectors since 1992 and taught school since 1998. In neither profession am I permitted to join the respective union.

Taken on the whole, in some ways that does not bother me in the least bit. As far as the IATSE is concerned, membership is forbidden at my theatre and termination assured. Moreover, the closest local is well over 100 miles away as all the competition in these parts are non-union as well. When I first started in projection I met the last of the last who carried a card . . . I was unimpressed. Today, I definently would be making more money as a union operator, but I know I could never put up with the BS many of you guys have faced over the years. So in the end, I guess it would all work out in the wash.

Now in education things are a little more complex. When I was a substitute in Ohio schools, I was not permitted to join the NEA/AFT, BUT they did provide $1,000,000 liability insurance in case anything went wrong while I was in the classroom AND I was aloud to divert some of my earnings into a pension fund administered by the State Teacher Retirement System (STRS). Currently, I'm now an adjunct instructor at a Pennsylvania Community College. Although, I lost the ability to contribute to a pension fund, my salary is set by a collective bargaining team of unionized full-time professors. This fall semester, I'll earn $24.00 more per credit hour, amounting to about a $216.00 raise for 10 weeks of work.

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