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Larry Myers
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From: Herndon, VA, USA
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posted 01-14-2008 08:09 PM

Since I am using a 720p projector, the 720p setting works for me. I notice very little difference if any driving a 720p projector at 1080p.

The Resolution posting between 2k and 4k scans is very good. To give you an idea of image loss, a typical high quality lens will pass about 400 lp/mm to the film in noon summer sun. Typical ASA 50 film will record about 125 lp/mm of that and a direct dup positive will be down to about 100 lp/mm. A dup neg from that dup positive will be about 75 lp/mm and a high speed print from that would be between 20 to 40 lp/mm or about 10% of what the lens originally sees.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-14-2008 08:33 PM

quote: Scott Jentsch
when I choose to purchase something costing hundreds of dollars, I want to make sure that I've made the best choice possible.

Then why did you purchase HD DVD? Boy, did you ever back the wrong horse!

quote: Scott Jentsch
Every Blu-ray player available today represents a compromise of some kind

Not quite as bad as the compromise of only 30GB of space. The only compromise on the PS3 is no DTS-HDMA. That's it. How many discs use that? Not too many. Dolby Tr00 HD is the same exact thing in the end anyway. Everyone likes Dolby better than DTS, even the people who work for DTS! And Linear PCM is even better because I don't think DTS HDMA and Dolby Tr00 HD have the higher sampling rates (though I could be wrong).

quote: Michael Bay
I know the look, color, and sounds on my own movies better they anyone in the world. I color-time every single image, and am there for every single audio tweak. I see my films in the editing and final process no less then a 100 times. I know ever single nuance. For some dick wads on these posts who think I can't make an informed choice on what format in the end, has the truer results for my own films. Well you where to shove.... My films finished in Blu-Ray are better - more true. Hd is better than DVD, but just not as good as Blu-Ray. So buying a Transformers Hd is still the best you will see this movie as of today. But when Paramount caves for Blu-Ray in the future - This will happen, then you will see Transformers one day finished in Blu-Ray and I will sure be able to tell the difference.

Sure it's Michael Bay, but still...

Higher bit rate = better picture.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-14-2008 09:12 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
The only compromise on the PS3 is no DTS-HDMA.

Doesn't the profile 1.1 firmware update for PS3 fix that?

A growing number of Fox BD releases feature DTS-HD Master audio. New Line has also been getting into a pattern of supporting DTS-HD on its newest BD titles.

Many have been taking note of Toshiba's price cuts on HD-DVD players, with some claiming it is a "fire sale" and adding that people should watch to see how eager retailers like Best Buy will be on restocking those items. Toshiba is claiming HD-DVD player sales were great. But its stock price has been taking a beating over the last few months, down 34% since October according to an article at DVD File.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-14-2008 09:27 PM

quote: Bobby Henderson
Doesn't the profile 1.1 firmware update for PS3 fix that?

Beats me. I don't yet have a receiver which can handle that and I don't think I have any movies that have that, either.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-14-2008 11:08 PM

After a little further searching it turns out the most recent PS3 firmware update (v 2.10) doesn't add internal decoding of the full DTS-HD MA data stream. You just get the 1.5Mb/s backward compatible lossy "core." Full internal decoding of Dolby True-HD was added. Maybe Sony will address the DTS thing on an upcoming update.

One thing I'm wondering is if PS3 will at least pass the full DTS-HD MA bit stream via HDMI to a receiver able to decode it.

Some of the newest audio-video receivers with HDMI 1.3a connections can decode full Dolby TrueHD and DTS-MD Master Audio. But do these receivers honor 1080p/24fps video streams as well? Or will 1080p/24 work only if the Blu-Ray player is connected directly to the TV via HDMI? I've seen some conflicting stuff about that -something about a "handshake" between the TV and player and that a receiver in the HDMI chain fouls up the connection.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-15-2008 12:08 AM

That's a good question. Perhaps I should wait on my receiver purchase. As for passing through the DTS-HDMA through the HDMI cable, I thought this was what it was lacking. I don't care if the PS3 can decode them internally since it doesn't have analog outputs.

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Bruce Hansen
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posted 01-15-2008 12:55 PM

quote: Bill Gabel
Toshiba announced an immediate drop in prices for the complete line of third-gen HD-DVD players.

One good sign that a format is near death is the slashing of prices. It is a last attempt to get the players into people's hands (and out of the warehouse, before the manufacture is stuck with them).

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Blaine Young
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posted 01-15-2008 02:21 PM

I was under the impression that any device with an HDMI 1.3 connection could pass the DTS-HDMA out the connector, to a capable receiver.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-15-2008 03:49 PM

I have no clue what version of HDMI the PS3 has.

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David Stambaugh
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posted 01-15-2008 04:13 PM

PS3 is HDMI v1.3.

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Ron Funderburg
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posted 01-16-2008 12:36 PM

quote:
quote: Ron Funderburg It was filmed in ultra panavision 70

The film "Ice Station Zebra" was filmed in Super Panavision 70, not Ultra-Panavision.

I stand corrected after actually watching the film it is clearly Marked "Cinerama" and "Super Panavision 70" It looked damn good! Remember I was going on a 40 year old memory since I hadn't seen it since probable 1968 except on regular old TV. Oh God I was 14 when I saw it in the theater! Damn I will 54 later this year how the heck did I get this old?

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Chris Slycord
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posted 01-16-2008 02:37 PM

quote: Blaine Young
I was under the impression that any device with an HDMI 1.3 connection could pass the DTS-HDMA out the connector, to a capable receiver.

Nope; it's optional.

quote:
Optionally supports output of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio streams for external decoding by AV receivers.[8] TrueHD and DTS-HD are lossless audio codec formats used on Blu-ray Discs and HD DVDs. If the disc player can decode these streams into uncompressed audio, then HDMI 1.3 is not necessary, as all versions of HDMI can transport uncompressed audio.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#HDMI_1.3

But I've yet to hear of anyone making a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD device that uses 1.3 and doesn't support it; just pointing out that it's not guaranteed that they are supported.

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Ron Funderburg
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posted 01-16-2008 02:54 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Dolby Tr00 HD is the same exact thing in the end anyway. Everyone likes Dolby better than DTS, even the people who work for DTS! And Linear PCM is even better because I don't think DTS HDMA and Dolby Tr00 HD have the higher sampling rates (though I could be wrong).

Man that is what is called a blanket statement and not can't be support it is simple "your opinion" I have never head a DTS Representative say they like Dolby better it would be about as smart as Pepsi rep saying he likes Coke better - a sure deal breaker for continued employment! It is like saying you statement is like "Everyone likes blue eyes better on women." Well I don't like Blue eyes better and I find DTS far superior in a theater environment. So everyone doesn't like Dolby better!

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-16-2008 04:33 PM

Did you not detect the sarcasm in Joe's post?

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Ron Funderburg
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posted 01-16-2008 05:08 PM

I guess I missed it but it could be there I just don't know him well enough to know serious from seriously a joke!

Man I need to edit my statement it has like a dozen wrong words well a couple at least!

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