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Tom Mundell
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posted 01-10-2008 03:32 PM

That's interesting, on Blu-Ray Ocean's Thirteen has no ads! It's one of the titles I have that plays immediately without even showing the menu.

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Ron Funderburg
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posted 01-10-2008 03:36 PM

quote: Scott Jentsch
re: upfront ads

When I write reviews of DVDs, I always list the upfront ads that are present. Ocean's Thirteen had six ads! Thankfully, they could all be skipped through, but that's ridiculous...

Yes it is and that is the exact feeling that customers have about rolling stock ad's in front of movies. I run the ad's but I feel the same and the bad thing is you can't skip through them in a theater.

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Mike Heenan
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posted 01-10-2008 09:32 PM

quote: Scott
Poor? No.

Cheap/Stingy? Yes.

Since you are a reviewer, wouldn't buying a blu ray player be a legit business expense and therefore a writeoff?

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Chris Slycord
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posted 01-11-2008 12:44 AM

quote: Ron Funderburg
Yes it is and that is the exact feeling that customers have about rolling stock ad's in front of movies. I run the ad's but I feel the same and the bad thing is you can't skip through them in a theater.

The difference is that you run the rolling stock before show time at a theater. At home, a person sticks the disc in thinking "I want to watch this movie now."

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-11-2008 04:15 AM

Here is a thread I started over on Blu-Ray.com. It will be interesting to see what kind of responses it gets. I do get kind f upset when they complain about film grain and that the picture quality sucks because a movie was shot in 35mm, etc.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 01-11-2008 09:35 AM

It'll be nice to see more Film-Techers on the Blu_Ray forum. They do need straightening out on some things.

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Ron Funderburg
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posted 01-11-2008 11:03 AM

Chris we start at the published show time the film starts about 10 minutes after published show time unless it is a very long film I tend not to put a lot of anything before those. But the actual show time is not something you can count on if you are customer I change up how much garbage is in front of the film so they don't know if they are getting in, in time or if they will mist part the show. That has more people come prior to show starts and set though but more importantly they have time to stop at the concession stand then and buy something!

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James Westbrook
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posted 01-11-2008 03:20 PM

I read the Blu-Ray thread Joe posted...
One of our "Outspoken" ones followed him out there. [Smile]

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-11-2008 03:43 PM

Good. I don't want to be the only non-idiot there.

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Ron Funderburg
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posted 01-11-2008 04:14 PM

So the question is the consumption of HD or Blu-ray and Rumors are ripe that Paramount has dropped HD in favor of Blu-ray; however, Paramount says that it isn't so

"UPDATE: Paramount spokeswoman Brenda Ciccone made this statement in response to reports that Paramount is abandoning the HD-DVD format: "Paramount's current plan is to continue to support the HD-DVD format." The statement didn't specify if Paramount would also produce Blu-ray DVDs in addition to HD-DVDs. It will be interesting to see how this story pans out."

The HD-DVD are hard to find though at any place that sells them. Wal-mart sells both HD and Blu-ray disk but no equipment! I'm so totaly confussed on all this and my wife say she likes DVD's just fine when we just up-convert them to 720p! So I guess for now I'm not buying either.

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Bruce Hansen
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posted 01-11-2008 05:03 PM

It could be that Paramount does not want to embarrass the HD-DVD camp during CES.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 01-11-2008 05:05 PM

The PS3 supposedly has one of the best upscalers for DVD. I watched a couple through the HDMI output, and to be honest, they really don't look that much different than they do at 480p. They certainly aren't any more detailed. The only real difference between the PS3 and my normal DVD player is that there is no pause at the layer change.

Upscaling = worthless.

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Mark Ogden
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posted 01-11-2008 05:23 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
I don't want to be the only non-idiot there.

Oh, I don't know. I read his post and caught four immediate errors:

1. Superman Returns was shot with the Panavision Genesis, not the Arriflex D20.
2. There are two HD cameras that can put out 4K: The Dalsa Origin (4096 X 2048) and the Red One Digital (4520 x 2540).
3. His characterization of the Sony CineAlta as a "mere prototype" during the principle photography of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones is dead wrong, it was a full production camera and had been for over a year. It wasn't even the first feature shot and released with the camera, Brad Anderson's Session Nine was in production a full year before SW:AOTC began shooting. Even before THAT, I personally examined what was described to me as a 'production model" in the presence of Jeff Cree, who ran the CineAlta line for Sony in the US.
4. CCD and CMOS sensors do not "struggle" for detail, and no solid-state sensor built on interline transfer HAD technology "smears" either, it's impossible in the absence of electron overflow which NEVER occurs in shadow areas, and the only way a camera has a "black crush" issue is if it is intentionally made to by the HD engineer or DP (which is what I saw on Miami Vice). Also, I engineer HD cameras every day of my professional life, and I have never had one exhibit "pixel lag", which is more a display problem and not an imaging one.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 01-11-2008 05:34 PM

quote: Mark Ogden
Superman Returns was shot with the Panavision Genesis, not the Arriflex D20.

I stand corrected. But that actually turns out to be a harder knock against Superman Returns since the Genesis camera has a maximum resolution of 1920 X 1080. The Arri unit can go up to around 3K.

quote: Mark Ogden
There are two HD cameras that can put out 4K: The Dalsa Origin (4096 X 2048) and the Red One Digital (4520 x 2540).

What movies have been shot in 4K using the Dalsa camera?

I posed questions about Wanted, the first major movie to make at least some use of the Red One camera. Did they shoot in 2K or 4K? Was the Red One system used exclusively?

To me, this situation is similar to Sony having what amounted the "shell" of a 4K digital cinema projector. The thing existed in prototype form for a long time before they finally got a shipping version ready to deploy to movie theaters.

quote: Mark Ogden
His characterization of the Sony CineAlta as a "mere prototype" during the principle photography of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones is dead wrong, it was a full production camera and had been for over a year.

Not a prototype? It didn't have 1080 HD resolution. Sony immediately had to do upgrade work on that camera system for it to at least deliver full 1080p content.

quote: Mark Ogden
CCD and CMOS sensors do not "struggle" for detail, and no solid-state sensor built on interline transfer HAD technology "smears" either, it's impossible in the absence of electron overflow which NEVER occurs in shadow areas, and the only way a camera has a "black crush" issue is if it is intentionally made to by the HD engineer or DP (which is what I saw on Miami Vice).

The smears and other problems I saw with those Michael Mann movies were seen on 35mm prints and 2K digital cinema -not on some low end LCD TV if that was implied. Ghosting, lagging, smearing -whatever you want to call it, it's there in the finished product. I have also seen all those problems I mentioned in lots of digital video and even from high end digital still cameras. I have a hard time believing those IQ issues were deliberately added afterward in post.

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The HD-DVD are hard to find though at any place that sells them. Wal-mart sells both HD and Blu-ray disk but no equipment!

Ron, Wal-Mart sells Playstation 3 gaming consoles. I did see a couple HD-DVD players in the store after Thanksgiving, but they're all gone now.

Our local Sears store has a number of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD player models in stock. You're likely to find an even better selection of players at the Best Buy store in Norman. Just make sure you get a profile 1.1 compliant unit. I think PS3 is the only currently available BD-compatible product that can be updated to full profile 2.0 functionality.

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Chris Slycord
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posted 01-11-2008 09:07 PM

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Chris we start at the published show time the film starts about 10 minutes after published show time unless it is a very long film I tend not to put a lot of anything before those. But the actual show time is not something you can count on if you are customer I change up how much garbage is in front of the film so they don't know if they are getting in, in time or if they will mist part the show. That has more people come prior to show starts and set though but more importantly they have time to stop at the concession stand then and buy something!

You should note that I was responding to the complaint about the rolling stock ads which are different from the trailers. I've always had it where the previews start at show time. I was simply pointing out, though, that in the case of a person using a DVD or Blu-Ray that they expect to see the movie right then as opposed to at the cinema where they already expect to see movie previews.

quote: Joe Redifer
The PS3 supposedly has one of the best upscalers for DVD. I watched a couple through the HDMI output, and to be honest, they really don't look that much different than they do at 480p. They certainly aren't any more detailed. The only real difference between the PS3 and my normal DVD player is that there is no pause at the layer change.

Upscaling = worthless.

I am not at all surprised. Making an HD signal from a non-HD source to me seems impossible. It's like on TV when you see someone "blowing up" a digital image, see it become pixelated, then the technician magically gets and crisp image by some form of magic.

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