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Bobby Henderson
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On the topic of why DVD still rules the home video market, it is still the leader because it was a huge leap above VHS and still remains a pretty good way to watch movies.

I've never seen any electronic stores running side by side comparisons of DVD-V and HD, which I think is a big mistake. If they played the same movie in DVD and HD on two identical monitors customers would see the big difference in image quality. Perhaps none have taken this step because they still make a lot of money selling regular DVDs and don't wish to dump too much on the format.

It's not clear whether the HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray format war is one of the primary reasons why standard DVD sales have been lagging. I think the main factor in lagging sales is the overall lesser quality of new movies. The DVD format is also over 10 years old, so there's no more novelty in it either. The lack of ground-breaking new movies has also made it a lot easier for folks to put off upgrading to HDTV and buying a HD movie disc player.

Technical issues with HDTVs and HD movie disc players have also made it easier for people to avoid upgrading. I'm happy to say a number of HDTV models have finally solved issues I saw as deal breakers for the past few years. I'm seriously looking at buying a certain 52" LCD-TV currently.

The HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray format war may not be over yet. However, retailers like Wal-Mart, Best Buy and Target may be the factor that finally deals the death blow to HD-DVD. Best Buy and Target have been reducing the amount of shelf space to HD-DVD and could move to elminate it entirely. Wal-Mart has been stocking little in either HD format, but appears poised to push Blu-Ray.

The situation in adult video is kind of interesting. HD-DVD was doing much better there. According to DVD File, not many porn titles were released in Blu-Ray because BD replicators were avoiding their businesses. Apparently major Hollywood movie studios were threatening to take their BD replication business elsewhere if those replication shops also handled porn content. The fear was that porn discs could accidentally find their way into things like Disney Blu-Ray childrens' movie packaging. I guess some of those worries have been dealt with since the number of adult movies on Blu-Ray is growing.

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Releases on both formats were already much better than DVD (in all but a few isolated cases, of course), and adding 20GB of potential storage (keep in mind that not many 50GB discs were filled) isn't going to result in drastically higher picture quality or sound quality.
There seems to be enough of a difference that most Blu-Ray titles have featured uncompressed or lossless compressed surround sound tracks. Early BD titles weren't dual layer (and only MPEG-2). Most new BD titles are dual layer and AVC encoded.

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Ron Funderburg
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Blane paying to release on it and paying to exclusively on it are two different things. I don't know for certain if it is against the law for them to do so or not. If Pepsi or Coke furnish you machines they can require you to sell only their soft drink if you buy your machines they can't! There are fine lines between good business tactics and unethical and a finer line between unethical and illegal. Paramount may had to have dropped the Blue-Ray due to the contract with HD it may had to have been a requirement to stop at that point.

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Blaine Young
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In theory I agree with you - I was just throwing it out. However, that only cements the "Payoff" theory for me with regards to Paramount/Dreamworks. Having to cancel all BD activity immediately tells me that they were paid to stop BD.

For Warner, I suspect the May cut-off point was the natural conclusion of the studios original agreement to support the format, and now with this decision to go BD exclusively, they are simply opting out of the format.

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Ron Funderburg
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Well the only company that there is report of any payments from is Blue-Ray. I think the two of them should get together (BR and HD) and make a compromise join forces and make the damn disk playable in both formats!

It has been pointed out that DVD is 10 years old well VHS is well over 20 and only just now going away. Blue-Rays goal is not destroy DVD and do it now but they haven't gotten there and not likely to do so fast!

Sorry about screwing up your name!

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Bobby Henderson
It's not clear whether the HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray format war is one of the primary reasons why standard DVD sales have been lagging. I think the main factor in lagging sales is the overall lesser quality of new movies. The DVD format is also over 10 years old, so there's no more novelty in it either. The lack of ground-breaking new movies has also made it a lot easier for folks to put off upgrading to HDTV and buying a HD movie disc player.
You're correct that "it's the movies" is the reason why DVD sales are lagging. Also, now that almost all decent classic TV shows have hit DVD, people have slowed down in buying those 4 and 5 disk sets. (I know I have!)

I still think the biggest reason high-def DVD hasn't set the world on fire is that SD is good enough to satisfy most people. I agree with you that if stores did side-by-side comparisons it would sway some people, but a whole lot of others would say that SD is "still pretty good" and go for the cheaper alternative...especially when there is a format war and they can't be sure if they'll even be able to buy all the movies they want.

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Blaine Young
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I've been an LD collector since 1981 and have always loved that format. I guess I have a elitest mentality, but it strikes me as wrong if you can buy a DVD of "Transformers" in the grocery store with your bread and milk. Hell, you should at least have to go to K-Mart...

To me, anything that I can buy along with a bowl of soup and a sandwich really isn't work 'collecting'. DVD has replaced VHS, but it unfortunately took LD down with it.

Now with BD and HD-DVD, there is something 'special' again. But I still sometimes long for the linear simplicity of LaserDisc. And with all of the limitations of LaserDisc and it's analog video, I still prefer that to poorly compressed MPEG-2 DVD. Sorry, you just cannot take a 130 minute movie, compress the living crap out of it and then drop it on 1 layer of a DVD9, and fill the 2nd layer up with content you may watch once. (I'm thinking of the "Special Editions" of the Bond films in that rant. Something that was corrected with the Ultimate Editions released in 2007.)

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Mike Blakesley
a whole lot of others would say that SD is "still pretty good" and go for the cheaper alternative...especially when there is a format war and they can't be sure if they'll even be able to buy all the movies they want.
According to news being reported by The Digital Bits, major retailer groups are pressuring both Paramount and Universal to opt out of HD-DVD, go Blu-Ray exclusive and put a quick end to the format war. That will solve some of the "FUD" for customers.

Price differences between HD discs and DVD discs will be the only thing left to throw customers. Even with that, Blu-Ray movie discs will be discounted in price after they've been on shelves for awhile just like the pattern with DVD. I don't understand why the music industry hasn't copied that. I'd probably own a lot more store bought CDs.

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I think the two of them should get together (BR and HD) and make a compromise join forces and make the damn disk playable in both formats!
Warner Bros. already tried that with "Total HD." Not enough stores were interested in carrying yet another SKU. Total HD had replication problems. The format was especially problematic if one or both sides had dual layer content.

Warner Bros. has bent over backward trying to make everyone happy and didn't make any progress generating enthusiasm for HD or resolving the format war for it. Their decision to go Blu alone comes after a long period of experimentation. I think they put a lot more thought and effort into HD movies on disc than any other studio. It just adds to why their decision to go with Blu-Ray alone has made a big impact on this subject.

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Scott Jentsch
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Imagine what would happen to all of this if Steve Jobs comes out next week at MacWorld and announces that their little hobby system, the AppleTV, is now fully ready to play HD video and 5.1 audio, and iTunes has been upgraded, featuring HD downloads from all the major studios.

Could it happen? Yes.

Do I think it will? No.

What would happen if it did? Mayhem amongst HDM hardware companies. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!

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Joe Redifer
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Everyone would still avoid Apple TV and iTunes would still suck.

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Bobby Henderson
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Actually one thing a lot of people are expecting from Steve Jobs at MacWorld next week is that a lot of new Macs are going to be sporting Blu-Ray BD-burners.

Frankly I really have to laugh at that since I though Apple was already offering Blu-Ray burners as a configuration option on their desktops. After paying a visit to their website, apparently Apple does not. That's despite the company stating in the past it would support Blu-Ray.

Computer companies like Dell have been offering Blu-Ray drives in their desktops and notebook computers for at least the past several months.

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Joe Redifer
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I think I may have found a solution to Brad's Rat problem. According to a thread I made on Blu-Ray.com, it has to do with the settings in the Samsung player.

Check out this post as well as this post for specific step-by-step instructions on how to fix it. People who owned PS3s did not know what the hell I was talking about, so that is definitely good news!

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Jesse Skeen
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quote: Blaine Young
I guess I have a elitest mentality, but it strikes me as wrong if you can buy a DVD of "Transformers" in the grocery store with your bread and milk. Hell, you should at least have to go to K-Mart...
To me, anything that I can buy along with a bowl of soup and a sandwich really isn't work 'collecting'

I dunno, I remember feeling very "tickled" (for lack of a better word) when I bought a DVD of Godzilla in 2.35 widescreen and 5.1 sound with director's commentary for $14.99 at Target the same time as a box of kitty litter [Smile] Before then I just thumbed my nose at the VHS tapes and dreamed of being able to buy laserdiscs at places like that.

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Brad Miller
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Thanks Joe. Now if there was only a way to turn off those damn navigational overlays such as "PLAY" and "-->"

And while I'm at it, how about a way to defeat the stupid menus? [Cool]

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Joe Redifer
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Man, I wish! They figure you need to set up subtitles and languages as well as watch extras each and every time.

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Tom Mundell
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Actually for some discs I do adjust languages/subtitles every time! (such as selecting DTS sound instead of the default Dolby Digital, etc) I wish players had the ability to remember non-default settings you've selected on a disc by disc basis.

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