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Steve Scott
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quote: Jack Ondracek
It starts getting hard to read stuff like this. Especially from exhibitors who stand to spend a whole lot of money for questionable returns. I'm all for the technological march of progress... but it would really be nice to filter out the BS.
Agreed. If the public knew more about the pros, cons, and how to overcome the cons with 35mm, they'd be laughing at these exhibitors that claim they can't run a film without "wear & tear."

It's like being at a restaurant where the chef can't chew food properly so they replace him with TV dinners.

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Bobby Henderson
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The spin and downright incorrect statements regarding film quality is par for the course. It's tough to find any sort of reporting anymore that doesn't involve all sorts of spin, exaggeration and outright lies.

Many business people believe if they spin things a certain way in they'll get a bigger return off spouting half-truths and lies. Just look at the huge fortunes some people are making by speculating oil futures. They spin a bunch of bad news about what they think may possibly happen in the future and then the price jacks up in reaction.

That kind of things sounds a bit similar on D-Cinema. The powers that be have to hype it up for all that its worth. Because if they don't yell real loud about it, a lot of audiences may not even notice the difference. That's the last thing they want to have happen. Who wants to spend $100,000 to $200,000 per screen and get a ho hum reaction? Throw a bunch of pomp and circumstance in there to hype it up and a lot of people might actually be convinced it's the best thing since sliced bread. I heard at least a few people talk about how great D-Cinema was when it first appeared in 1999, complete with high levels of compression and a mere 1280 X 1024 native pixels. But hey, it's digital!

I visited the website for AccessIT. Surprisingly I didn't find a whole lot of "digital has better quality than film" spin. They had a 3 minute Flash movie that did more to tout the flexibility of the format. A theater can show more movies and alternative content to help fill otherwise empty seats in down times. You don't have to build prints, move prints and break down prints. I'm not satisfied by the 2K native resolution, but the other legitimate selling points are compelling. It's too bad the press can't seize upon the points of content flexibility rather than vomiting up the "digital is better than film" baloney.

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Louis Bornwasser
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Digital did improve SOME things; just not this thing. Bo bby, you are dead on. Louis

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Bobby Henderson
A theater can show more movies and alternative content to help fill otherwise empty seats in down times.
That's always been a tough one for me. After 20 years here, I still can't find the darn light switch! [Big Grin]

Curiously, the lights seem to go off by themselves at night, though the dimmer is kinda slow.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Bobby Henderson
The spin and downright incorrect statements regarding film quality is par for the course. It's tough to find any sort of reporting anymore that doesn't involve all sorts of spin, exaggeration and outright lies.


Right on!

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Steve Anderson
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I went on opening day of Mission Impossible III to visit a Carmike that had just installed a Digital projector, which they heavily promoted in the local paper. Why they picked this particular theater is anybody’s guess because it is not one of their newer builds.
Well anyway as I entered the auditorium I could here a nice loud hum coming from the center speaker. No music or any per show was presented. The lights dimmed to their normal trailer pre-show settings. Digital quality for the most part I would say the overall edge-to-edge screen brightness was nice, but then I noticed the awful (stair step / banding) of any background that had a luminous gradation to it. I was nearly hypnotized by the end credits of the trailer for the DaVinci Code, which the background created a circular ring of stair step levels of video, this carried over during the entire movie presentation. The other thing that was happening during the trailer presentation was a gap of anywhere between 20 to 45 seconds of black during the trailers. Is this the lag time of the server trying to find the next file to run? And now the big opening of the movie…the lights never dim…they even went up in illumination and the nice loud hum in the center channel was still going strong. I went and asked someone to check on this but all I got was “sure whatever” If I had been by myself I would have gotten up and asked for a refund but I went back in and sat thru the movie. What makes this so sad is no one else seemed to be bothered with the presentation? If this is Digital Cinema today… it has a long way to go. And thanks Carmike for making raising the bar for the most F***ED UP theater presentation in the industry.

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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If they can't present 35MM properly, what makes you think they can do any better with digital? [Eek!]

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Justin Gorka
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We've had our Christie 2k for 4 months now. Installed by sound associates. There has been no real problems except we've not had a film on it for two month! My laptop looks good on it though!

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Manny Knowles
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quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr
If they can't present 35MM properly, what makes you think they can do any better with digital?
...maybe because there are fewer points where a "projectionist" might screw things up.

I believe that the major presentation issues -- the ones average viewers notice most easily -- become non-issues with DLP.

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Caleb Johnstone-Cowan
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Strange as we've had something showing on at least one of our two Christie 2k projectors since they were installed. Probably because of our location, we get a fair amount of limited release stuff.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Manny Knowles
I believe that the major presentation issues -- the ones average viewers notice most easily -- become non-issues with DLP.
I think some problems will remain.

The biggest issue against good presentation quality is lack of maintenance. If the movie theater companies are having to pay for the upkeep, then they will drag their feet on replacing things like lamps and other gear that will wear out and break on these machines. Their basis of operating in the digital realm doesn't protect them from wear and tear issues.

Actually I find the SOUND component to be the much more difficult thing for commercial theaters to properly maintain. It's rare to find auditoriums with good, full bodied sound quality. Many theaters go for a long time without being re-tuned. Many even operate with speaker drivers blown or even missing for lengthy periods of time. Where will the D-Cinema companies weigh in on that part of it?

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Michael Brown
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quote:
We've had our Christie 2k for 4 months now. Installed by sound associates. There has been no real problems except we've not had a film on it for two month! My laptop looks good on it though!

How come in the end you didn't get the digital version of Poseidon? I was going to come and watch it at your place, I ended up watching the 35mm at the AMC instead.

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Steve Scott
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Some people let scratches go because they've attended plenty of complacent theaters & had no choice in the matter. Once a competitor comes along, the new house has plenty of credit. I believe that the average person has plenty to complain about before they sit down. Long lines, computer crashes, hostile upselling, do they get directed to the correct auditorium without confusing directions (I'm looking at your 15 or 16-plexes, Carmike)... Then it's how many ads, previews, PSA's, policy & sound snipes. The only thing I hear my friends & family complain about more than those things is Does the film start relatively close to the showtime, and does it run without interruption??? D-cinema can solve none of these pertinent issues; only good management can.

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Justin Gorka
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Think it must be cinema politics. Who knows how the gods of film buying work. We actually have Secuido Express on at the moment. We've had a lot of problems with the Dolby issue film not talking to the Arts Alliance QuViss system. And there was me thinking there was supposed to be an industry standard!

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Bobby Henderson
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Felt like bumping this.

Christie/AccessIT and Carmike seem to be getting a bit more aggressive on the install pace of new DLP systems. Just doing a scan through various theaters in a number of different states, I found quite a few new installs.

Also of note, more DLP systems appear to be going into some theaters during the initial install. At the beginning of the conversion program just a couple DLP units would be installed or maybe half the theater's screens would be converted. Some of the newest sites to get DLP have seen 75% of their theaters changed. For example, the Carmike 10 in Fort Collins, CO had 7 of 10 screens changed to DLP. Other locations which already had a few of these Christie systems installed have received more, such as the 14-plex in Tyler, TX. It added 4 more for a total of 11.

Some theaters in Iowa, Minnesota, Louisiana and Alabama have received a pretty good number of DLP systems. Utah appears to have gained a couple installs in a couple locations (not the usual 50% changeover seen at a lot of places).

Strangely, some places one would figure Carmike would likely schedule early for DLP conversion have not seen any action. None of Carmike's theaters in their corporate HQ market of Columbus, GA have been changed over to digital projection. Actually, I couldn't find any Carmike locations in Georgia advertising digital projection.

There's none here in Oklahoma either. At least not yet anyway. The nearest Carmike locations to me that have had DLP installs are in Fort Smith, AR and Tyler, TX.

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