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Author Topic: Dolby's new sound system Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 05-23-2013 11:23 PM                        I wonder how many ATMOS installations have gone to the trouble of adding two more speakers behind the screen. Most seem to concentrate on the ceiling channels, the ones people can see.  |  IP: Logged Jarod Reddig Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 513 From: Hays, Ks Registered: Jun 2011 posted 05-24-2013 01:18 AM                     Pertaining to what Bobby said about not seeing Dolby Atmost on any movie poster. I have a Brave movie poster that says "Persented in Dolby Atmos" at the bottom of it.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-24-2013 05:27 AM                     As to LC/RC...I think more than you would suspect. In the big cost of things...those two are not that expensive as compared to the whole rigging and wiring of the ceiling surrounds. Note too, the additional side surrounds towards the front of the theatre (typically 2-3 speakers per side) have nearly identical performance requirements as stage channels (40Hz - 16KHz and able to hit 105dBc in the critical listening area). Whereas LC/RC are "recommended" for large theatres (40' screens and greater)...the types of auditoriums that are likely to get Atmos, most will fall into that category. There are also many SDDS-8 theatres out there still and they would likely be candidates for Atmos since they were the larger theatres of the SDDS days.  |  IP: Logged Sean Goodrich Film Handler Posts: 22 From: Dallas, TX, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 05-24-2013 11:47 AM                     It's a shame that SDDS-8 didn't take off. Imagine if 5 screen channels were more common when the digital revolution happened, then we'd see DCPs of 70mm movies with their original soundtrack, instead of remixing for 5.1. Even if it's a hit, I doubt we'll see Sound of Music in Dolby Atmos just for the two extra screen channels, and mono surround.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-24-2013 09:23 PM                     5 screen channels was always in the DCI description.  |  IP: Logged Peter Angelo Bua-ay Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Quezon city , Philippines Registered: Mar 2013 posted 05-31-2013 10:38 PM                     We've just finished installing/set up a dolby atmos sound cinema. We don't have yet the processor since as per dolby, they will be the one to install and align since we're not certified yet. I'm looking it to be one of the best sound system that we set up. For this new set up of sound, the only hard thing is the ceiling speakers installation  |  IP: Logged Jarod Reddig Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 513 From: Hays, Ks Registered: Jun 2011 posted 06-01-2013 01:08 AM                     Peter is it a 5 speaker stage setup or 3?  |  IP: Logged Peter Angelo Bua-ay Film Handler Posts: 8 From: Quezon city , Philippines Registered: Mar 2013 posted 06-01-2013 02:32 AM                     Jarod, 5 screen channels/stage speakers.  |  IP: Logged Jarod Reddig Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 513 From: Hays, Ks Registered: Jun 2011 posted 06-03-2013 12:43 AM                     Excellent thanks.  |  IP: Logged Gavin Lewarne Master Film Handler Posts: 278 From: Plymouth, UK Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-03-2013 02:01 PM                     is there a minimum auditorium size for Atmos to function effectively ? im wondering about possibly speccing it for our potential new build - a 2 screener with approx. 200 / 250 seats per screen  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-03-2013 02:50 PM                        I think it should function fine in auditoriums of that size.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-03-2013 04:04 PM                     Considering the high price for Atmos that money would go a lot farther in significantly bigger auditoriums. I have doubts a minimal configuration would be worth all the extra expense of installing a CP850 along with whatever else was added or replaced in the sound system just to get "Atmos" listed on the marquee. I saw an article from the L.A. Times about Atmos, stating the Dolby CP850 Atmos processor has a list price of over $33,000. They clarify in parenthesis no one actually pays that full amount, but I'd still like to know how much of a discount is typically applied for commercial theater customers. If the CP850 is still costing north of $20,000 after discounts it still makes Dolby Atmos a very expensive sound system upgrade. The theater still has to budget in all the extra amplifiers, new speakers, installation costs, etc. And then there's the added maintenance costs that will be needed to keep an Atmos system working and sounding properly. Back in the 1990s, when surround sound was actually still a marketable attraction (before stadium seating, digital projection, 3D and fake giant format experiences stole the limelight) movie theaters weren't paying nearly as much to install 5.1 digital surround sound. The first Cinema Digital Sound and Dolby Digital processors carried $20,000 price tags. DTS shook that up with the $2,500 and $3,500 introductory prices for the DTS-S and DTS-6 players. Dolby ran pricing specials on the DA-20 system, getting it well below the $10,000 level. Cinema processors that integrated Dolby Digital (CP-500, CP-650) made the cost even more reasonable to install 5.1 surround. Atmos is taking cost requirements in the opposite direction and possibly doing so at an extreme. Worse, this is happening when it seems like very few people (including many movie theater tech geeks) give a tinker's damn about good quality sound. If it has to cost north of $50K-$60K to install Dolby Atmos in a single theater auditorium, in an effective configuration, I'm not optimistic the sound format is ever going to catch on with theater operators or even the general public if the marketing continues to be extremely weak. A theater operator looking to spend that kind of money might prefer to put it toward IMAX instead even if IMAX digital would cost more money than Atmos. There's a decent number of movies coming out this summer with mixes in Dolby Atmos. Too bad the nearest Atmos equipped theater is more than 200 miles away, and probably will stay that way. Warren Theaters are big on everything Dolby, but have passed on Atmos to this point.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-03-2013 05:28 PM                        He didn't ask if it would be practical. He asked if it would work. We only have 194 seats here and I'd still install Atmos if there was a way to do it for, say, 10 to 15 grand. Of course I'm a gadget freak so I immediately fell for it when I heard it. But there are other things on my wish list ahead of it. (Stage curtain, for example.)  |  IP: Logged Gavin Lewarne Master Film Handler Posts: 278 From: Plymouth, UK Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-03-2013 06:40 PM                     Given the new build won't be hapenning until 2016 I was merely looking into its viability for our needs. Regardless of what will eventually be installed I have to start thinking of cost options and designs now as the financing stage takes a long time. Giving multiple options is a requirement . I'd imagine it will be standard 7.1 but it doea not hurt to ask, and we never know we might get a yes  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 06-04-2013 10:29 AM                        I think you're looking at it from the right perspective. You shouldn't start saying "no" to things when you're still in the ideas stage. Better to keep yourself open than to assume that something isn't doable when it is, or will be. If I were a financial backer of a proposed project, I would consider it to be irresponsible for the person doing the planning not to consider all options, especially if they deliver the best results. You can always say no if conditions warrant, but you can't say yes to a question that was never asked.  |  IP: Logged

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