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Joe Elliott
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posted 03-16-2009 04:06 PM

My son who hates the original series, and who's favorite series is Voyager, though Kate Mulgrew was the hottest girl on TV for over a year. He was only 17, and I tried to explain to him that she was a bit over his age range, but you know teenagers. He's 19 now, and is over his crush on her though.

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Joe Tommassello
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posted 03-16-2009 04:08 PM

quote: Frank Angel
the Star Trek TV series when I did get to see it looked like some amateur high school film class project

You must mean like every show on Sci-Fi channel today! [Wink]

My feelings after seeing the latest trailer are "Well the special effects look good!" - but I stopped being impressed with special effects after Jurassic Park. It became obvious at that point that if you can imagine it you can put it on screen. Which brings us to a key word...imagination.

Star Trek was low budget. It allowed you to use your imagination a lot of the time. It captured you with interesting characters and stories and it didn't have to dazzle you with wild visual effects to make an impression. That won't fly today. Moviegoers (kids for the most part) want to be dazzled. Is there a chance the characters can have some substance? I refer you to the first reel of "Cloverfield" for an example. Enough said?

Abrams is to Roddenberry as Jackson is to Cooper. Is there anyone here who can seriously say they think the 2005 version of King Kong is better than the original? Jackson "expanded" the characters and gave them more "depth", we learned about their backgrounds, their ambitions, etc...as HE envisioned it. What happened to imagination? What happened to respecting the intelligence of your audience and letting them envision their own backstory that would have brought the characters to this place where we meet them? The result...an overblown, overlong movie that could have been great...about an hour shorter

Don't you think if Kirk's father was a starship captain...even for 30 seconds...we would have found that out in 42 years? My bet is this film will do well but in reality will be a lot of unnecessary chatter and overblown special effects. I hope I'm wrong. My expectations are very low.

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Chris Slycord
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posted 03-16-2009 04:40 PM

quote: Joe Elliott
My son who hates the original series, and who's favorite series is Voyager, though Kate Mulgrew was the hottest girl on TV for over a year. He was only 17, and I tried to explain to him that she was a bit over his age range, but you know teenagers. He's 19 now, and is over his crush on her though.

She may be older than my mom by a year, but that doesn't change that she's an attractive woman.

That said, I didn't watch Voyager much.

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 03-16-2009 06:36 PM

quote: Mike Schindler
I cannot wait for this movie

I've seen this phrase a lot and I'm sure I say it myself but it makes no sense at all. You have no choice but to wait! The only alternative is suicide. If you don't kill yourself, obviously you CAN wait. A better alternative would be "I hate waiting for this movie," which admittedly doesn't have much of a ring to it.

OK, got that off my chest. Back to the debate! (I've only seen the first teaser and thought it looked pretty cool, and I'm not into Star Trek at all....the only movie I've seen is "IV" from the original movie series and I've never seen the TV show.)

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-16-2009 08:06 PM

What ruined Kate Mulgrew for me was her voice. She sounded like she smoked 100 packs a day!

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Chris Hipp
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posted 03-16-2009 08:20 PM

I have my concerns that it will be terrible, but I am going to keep an open mind when I watch it. I am a huge Star Trek fan, but not the dress up like a Klingon type. I only dress up like the borg. Not really.

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Scott D. Neff
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posted 03-17-2009 12:02 PM

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What ruined Kate Mulgrew for me was her voice. She sounded like she smoked 100 packs a day!

I don't know what it is with some guys. Some go bat-shit crazy over women with scratchy voices. I've met girls who were otherwise butt ugly, but because they had some deep scratchy voice men fell over themselves trying to get in their pants.

Not that I think anybody would fall over Kate Mulgrew in the 90's... but I'm sure I could put some skank with a scratchy voice in front of half the people who are irritated by Kate Mulgrew's voice and they'd go for it.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-17-2009 12:04 PM

I wouldn't. Hate the scratchy voice.

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Justin Gorka
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posted 03-17-2009 01:02 PM

Just remember all the Dads forcing their kids to see it....might be rubbish, but will be a box office winner. I do hope it has a little colour though. I live in hope!

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Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
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posted 03-17-2009 07:42 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
I've seen this phrase a lot and I'm sure I say it myself but it makes no sense at all. You have no choice but to wait! The only alternative is suicide. If you don't kill yourself, obviously you CAN wait. A better alternative would be "I hate waiting for this movie," which admittedly doesn't have much of a ring to it.

You apparently haven't seen the episode of South Park where Cartman freezes himself because he can't wait for the Nintendo Wii to come out. I'm just saying, there are options other than suicide, guys!

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Mike Schindler
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posted 03-18-2009 02:50 PM

quote: Frank Angel
I was not a fan of DS9 at all - it seemed more like a comedy skit -- they never seemed to be serious, and the costumes were laughable more than believeable.

I've heard this criticism a lot, but it never made much sense to me. Sure, it's the funniest series in the franchise, but it's also the darkest. Take the character of Quark's nephew, Nog, for example. The Ferengi were mostly used for comic relief, and his character was no exception. There are episodes like LITTLE GREEN MEN, where he's running around Roswell in the 1940's all slapsticky with the other Ferengi. But then there are also episodes like IT'S ONLY A PAPER MOON, where he gets his leg blown off in combat and retreats into the holosuite because he can't deal with the real world anymore. That's some pretty heavy stuff.

I see the tone of DS9 as being similar to that of THE X-FILES. There are both comedic episodes and dramatic episodes, and both work in different ways. It's just well-rounded.

quote: Joe Elliott
My son who hates the original series, and who's favorite series is Voyager, though Kate Mulgrew was the hottest girl on TV for over a year. He was only 17, and I tried to explain to him that she was a bit over his age range, but you know teenagers. He's 19 now, and is over his crush on her though.

So, in other words, he's finally gotten to Jeri Ryan episodes? [Wink]

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You must mean like every show on Sci-Fi channel today!

Except, of course, for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA! Is anyone else anxiously awaiting Friday Night's big finale? [thumbsup]

quote: Joe Tommassello
Is there a chance the characters can have some substance? I refer you to the first reel of "Cloverfield" for an example. Enough said?

Personally, I thought that one of the reasons why CLOVERFIELD worked so well is because of the way they were able to develop the characters so concisely. But CLOVERFIELD is not a very good indicator of what to expect from STAR TREK. It was produced by the same guy, but it had a different writer and director. The best film to compare STAR TREK to as far as the talent is concerned is MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III. Pretty much everyone who worked on that movie also worked on STAR TREK. M:I:III was easily the best film of 2006, and that's why I have so much confidence in these guys taking over TREK.

quote: Joe Tommassello
Is there anyone here who can seriously say they think the 2005 version of King Kong is better than the original? Jackson "expanded" the characters and gave them more "depth", we learned about their backgrounds, their ambitions, etc...as HE envisioned it. What happened to imagination? What happened to respecting the intelligence of your audience and letting them envision their own backstory that would have brought the characters to this place where we meet them?

The problem with the character development in Jackson's movie is not that it left nothing to the imagination. The problem was that the character development was unnecessary and got in the way of the important stuff, which was monsters fighting.

There's nothing wrong with knowing more about these characters as long as it serves a useful purpose.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-18-2009 05:33 PM

quote: Mike Schindler
M:I:III was easily the best film of 2006

Man, 2006 must have been one shitty year!

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Mike Blakesley
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posted 03-18-2009 07:02 PM

Come to think of it, '06 wasn't exactly a year to crow about. Our top ten for that year:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Cars
Ice Age: The Meltdown
Night at the Museum
Happy Feet
Eight Below
Open Season
Da Vinci Code, The
Over the Hedge
Flicka

There's not really anything on that list I'm dying to see again.

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Joe Tommassello
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posted 03-19-2009 05:02 PM

quote: Mike Schindler
But then there are also episodes like IT'S ONLY A PAPER MOON, where he gets his leg blown off in combat and retreats into the holosuite because he can't deal with the real world anymore. That's some pretty heavy stuff.

Yeah - heavy stuff. Just like...

quote: Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
the episode of South Park where Cartman freezes himself because he can't wait for the Nintendo Wii to come out.

Nog? Is his first name Egg? And Ferengi? I am not judging as I didn't watch the show...but this sounds a lot like "Willow" and "ewok" to me!

Mike I have to disagree about the Cloverfield characters. Let me take you back to one of my previous posts early in this subject to state - ever so delicately - how I felt:

quote:
Remember how much you hated those pretentious little pricks for the first fifteen minutes of "Cloverfield"? I hated those fuckers so much I hoped the monster would just stomp the whole load of them Bambi-meets-Godzilla style immediately...even if it meant the movie only lasted one reel!

Guess that clears that up. On the other hand I agree that M:I:III was good and certainly don't disagree about King Kong. We'll see soon whether the new film is ST (Star Trek) or STINO (Star Trek In Name Only). Oh, and I get to decide because I was alive in the 60s. Being an old bastard has to have some advantages.

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Mike Schindler
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posted 04-01-2009 06:19 PM

Apparently, Paramount has a decent amount of faith in this movie, because they've re-hired Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, along with LOST's head writer, Damon Lindelof, to write the script for a sequel. J.J. Abrams will produce and maybe direct.

On a related note, Bryan Fuller, the creator of DEAD LIKE ME and PUSHING DAISIES has said that he wants to do a new Trek show which is set in the same time frame as the new movie, but on a different ship. It sounds like he wants to try to recapture the fun of the original series. Of course, just because he wants to do this doesn't mean that the studio will let him, but he does have a relationship with Abrams and co., so here's hoping!

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