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Author Topic: What's the latest theatre to close or open you have heard about? (part 2) Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-26-2018 10:19 AM                        Anyone know what happened to the two year old Coyote Drive-In in Lewisville, Texas? Their website now says, "Thanks for two great years - please go to our Fort Worth location."  |  IP: Logged Frank B. McLaughlin Film Handler Posts: 76 From: Denver, CO Registered: Dec 2011 posted 09-26-2018 10:44 AM                        The Lewisville Coyote Drive-In is currently closed due to inclement weather and extremely wet conditions. Unfortunately our Lewisville location is susceptible to issues during poor weather. If you’re in the mood for a great movie event, come and see us at the Fort Worth location which has endured volatile North Texas weather for more than five years!  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-26-2018 11:56 AM                        Thanks for that update Frank. I see their website has been updated since this morning. Earlier this morning the message on the website made it seem that it would not be reopening. The "Thanks for two great years" line seemed like a sign that it was closed permanently.  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 09-26-2018 01:55 PM                     When the Golden Horseshoe Drive In went up in what was South of Lubbock in the middle of a cotton field, there were a few Playa lakes around the property but there was almost never issues with flooding until the early 1980s after Lubbock grew around the property, replacing cotton fields with concrete and asphalt and a lake south of the property filled up and overtook the lot. I read of the lease holder having to remove fish from the restrooms and concession stand. Shortly after it closed and was demolished, the lot being in central Lubbock now. Lubbock is now handling it's flood control issues. I suspect Lewisville grew with such a rapid pace it got overwhelmed and now has to play catch up. I wish Frank good luck and hope this can be resolved.  |  IP: Logged Justin West Master Film Handler Posts: 271 From: Peoria, IL, USA Registered: Jul 2001 posted 09-26-2018 08:51 PM                     Uhhh, Barry, not to take away any credit due Frank for his helpfulness and "clarification" but...does Frank WORK for Coyote Lewisville? His comment as posted appears to be verbatim what Coyote had posted originally...before the quote that you had seen. In other words, I am not leaving this conversation on F-T with any confidence that the Coyote Lewisville location is going to reopen. You might also note that their Leeds (AL) location also "closed for the season" Labor Day weekend! Hmmm, something may not be positive here...I hope I am wrong!  |  IP: Logged Barry Floyd Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1079 From: Lebanon, Tennessee, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 09-27-2018 08:30 PM                        Justin, Looks like the Lewisville location is done. Their facebook page was updated today with the following: "Coyote Drive-In Lewisville is closed until further notice." "We've greatly enjoyed serving the Lewisville community for the last two years and hope that you'll join us for more great memories at the Coyote Drive-in Forth Worth."  |  IP: Logged Frank B. McLaughlin Film Handler Posts: 76 From: Denver, CO Registered: Dec 2011 posted 09-28-2018 09:21 AM                        I owe you an apology: I should have identified the statement as having been copied directly copied from the Coyote website (had to dig down a few layers but there it was). As for me I am retired, have operated two leased drive-ins over the years and now doubt that I would ever venture forth to a third one.  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 09-28-2018 02:09 PM                     The movie business has taken a downturn as of late, and having new drive-ins but generating little revenue to recoup the cost of building them and operating them...not a good place to be right now.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 10-02-2018 11:17 PM                        quote: James Westbrook The movie business has taken a downturn as of late, and having new drive-ins but generating little revenue to recoup the cost of building them and operating them...not a good place to be right now. The North American movie business overall is actually up 11% for the year so far. Of course that's a completely separate issue of whether or not a drive-in is financially feasible in today's market and it's questionable whether any new movie theater is financially feasible in spite of revenue being up. As I've posted before, AMC is selling an average of only 92 tickets per day, per screen. I don't know how any theater can survive on those numbers, even aside from capital costs.  |  IP: Logged Dave Bird Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 777 From: Perth, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2000 posted 10-03-2018 11:53 AM                        I think that's a great point, it's very site-specific. People can, and do sell or provide just about anything and do very well with it. Other locations don't work. There's so many variables, not the least of which is financing. I got the impression that the "Coyote people" might have been very well capitalized and perhaps were using the concept for land-banking as in days of old. Perhaps this new location was just a placeholder which didn't last as long as they thought. As for the chains, I think it is hard for us to figure out how they make a go relative to the small hands-on things we might be involved in, but it's gotta be a completely different animal other than the popcorn. The whole game seems to be a never-ending 5-10 year plan to keep expanding, opening new, closing old, keep the investors coming in to fund the whole thing on a perpetual basis. In that sense, it's working, it's keeping tens of thousands or more people working and carrying on even though there's essentially no singular "owner" demanding that the bottom line be healthy as well. Oh sure, if it falters, new executive comes in, but it never goes down like we would, too many people getting a paycheck and too much momentum to give up on it. And for sure, it doesn't help people actually running a theatre as a "real business" who needs that bottom line, because the whole big machine has been built to serve other purposes. (That said, no complaints at all about season 2018.)  |  IP: Logged James Westbrook Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1133 From: Lubbock, Texas, Usa Registered: Mar 2006 posted 10-03-2018 02:07 PM                     Here is my situation. I'm in the oldest theater in town currently operating but it's in good shape. Retrofitted for Stadium seating. Location, meh. Our sister theater across town converted to recliner and reserved seating. Our competitor across the highway also converted to recliner with reserved seating. And in another part of town, an 8 screen theater/restaurant with reserved seating. There is no talk of converting my building and I am fine with that: this market needs a "general admission" location. But we are not really busy anymore. It should pick up this week with Venom. After the competitor converted to recliner is when we really started seeing a downturn, and this seems to be why I assumed we were in a decline. It's not the business, just us.  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 10-09-2018 12:11 AM                        If a theatre regularly fills to only half capacity (including Saturday night), it might make sense to go with recliners because they do seem to attract patrons. But installing recliners reduces the seat count by 30 to 50% and if shows are selling out, it means the theater is leaving money on the table. In NYC, due to both theater closings and the installation of recliners, we now have fewer than 71,000 seats. It was 85,000 at the end of 2016. It was 105,000 at the end of 2012 and 175,000 in mid-1987. But I also agree that many people hate reserving seats and want to pick their seat after they enter a theatre (especially if there's an extra fee to reserve). If I were a general admission theater, I'd certainly promote that fact: "walk in and pick the best seat / no extra fees", etc.  |  IP: Logged William Kucharski Expert Film Handler Posts: 244 From: Louisville, Colorado, United States of America Registered: Oct 2012 posted 10-11-2018 02:28 AM                     I avoid general admission theaters as much as possible; I don’t want to have to get there an hour before showtime to get the seat I want but am more than willing to pick a different showtime.  |  IP: Logged Sam Graham AKA: "The Evil Sam Graham". Wackiness ensues. Posts: 1431 From: Waukee, IA Registered: Dec 2004 posted 10-16-2018 12:34 PM                        The Starlite Drive-In in Wichita, KS has closed for good and will have a liquidation auction November 13. The auction is open to anyone and includes basically everything including the screens. Auction Page The Starlite opened as the Landmark Twin in 1974. It was most recently operated by Chuck Bucinski, who acquired it from the estate of the late Jim Goble in 2016. Goble also previously operated the Cinderella Twin in Denver.  |  IP: Logged Dave Bird Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 777 From: Perth, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2000 posted 10-16-2018 01:29 PM                        She was a beauty! Where's the nearest to Wichita now?  |  IP: Logged

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