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Leo Enticknap
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After nine years of making regular visits to the US (between two and five each year) and not having had any real issues with the TSA (apart from long queues to go through immigration, especially at Minneapolis), I've had two bad experiences in a row this year. In January I arrived at Portland en route to a business meeting in LA followed by a week with my partner in southern California. I explained all this to the immigration officer, in response to which he asked a barrage of questions (nature of the business meeting, name and address of my partner, etc.), and to see my trip summary and receipt, driving licence, credit cards etc. The only explanation I can think of is that he thought I was trying to enter the US permanently on account of now having personal ties there as well as business ones; but as I'm sure the data on his screen after he scanned my passport will have shown, I have always left the US when I said I would in the past and abided by every relevant law, rule and regulation during my visits. The second time, in May after landing in Salt Lake City, I was again asked for the trip summary and receipt printout. She noticed that the air ticket carried the abbreviated form of my first name that I use in everyday life (Leo) whereas my passport stated my full first name (Leofric). As a result of this I was taken into a side office and given a ticking off by her boss: he warned me that if all my documentation did not carry the exact name as printed in my passport, I would be refused entry the next time. Do they do this to every Edward who is normally known as Ed, Susan/Sue etc.?!

The only other thing I can think of is that they've recently been told to treat all UK nationals with intense suspicion on account of British Muslim communities' alleged links to international terrorism. But I guess it's far more likely that I just got unlucky enough to encounter two officials who were having a bad day.

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Joe Elliott
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Just fly southwest.

Carlos Mencia - You want to be safe? Fly Southwest.

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Paul Mayer
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Looks like the US ICE can be just as stupid and bumbling and officious and arrogant and petty and self-important as the TSA.

Leo, your incidents sound like the problems I've occasionally had with morons that won't accept my signature for credit card purchases - my credit cards list my name with the middle initial "G", but I've never used that middle initial in my signature. Ever. Morons.

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Dustin Mitchell
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The second incident sounds annoying in a bureaucratic way but the first is fairly understandable. I was asked the same sorts of question on a trip to Japan last August and believe it or not I had a hard time answering them. I was visiting a friend who is currently living in Japan while teaching English but he is living with his Japanese girlfriend-and I only knew her first name. Luckily I was able to talk my way through immigration but I learned my lesson about having my addresses/phone numbers lined up.

I was reading a news story recently about how the biggest growth in illegal immigrants coming across the US-Mexican border is from India. Seems many Indians had been entering the US on phony work/school visas (listing workplaces/schools that didn't even exist). Homeland Security/Immigration have been apparently cracking down on these (probably why you got a grilling Leo) and thus its harder to sneak into the US using a work/student visa.

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Jeff Kane
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Two worst incidents I've ever had were entering Canada at YVR and the UK at LHR. I was only transiting Canada but had to go landside to get a round the world ticket issued (purpose for my trip). The immigration officer questioned me for a full 15 minutes about my purpose in canada, how long I was going to be there (flying right back out in a few hours), over and over again. Finally, he let me go through. Not sure if he was just bored, or what! The UK one was the most serious. I was travelling a *lot* at that point and had been to the UK for quite a few short trips over a three month period in 2004. This, apparently, triggered something as I got the full on interrogation, luggage search, background check, the works. Four hours in a side room down some dank hallway in Heathrow. Multiple officers, LOTS of questions about my travel patterns, and a warning that I should expect future scrutiny in the future. Knowing better than to argue, I simply said "ok", and went on my way. Been to the UK at least 15 times since then, never had an issue.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Jeff Kane
The UK one was the most serious. I was travelling a *lot* at that point and had been to the UK for quite a few short trips over a three month period in 2004. This, apparently, triggered something as I got the full on interrogation, luggage search, background check, the works. Four hours in a side room down some dank hallway in Heathrow. Multiple officers, LOTS of questions about my travel patterns, and a warning that I should expect future scrutiny in the future. Knowing better than to argue, I simply said "ok", and went on my way. Been to the UK at least 15 times since then, never had an issue.
Sorry about that. Heathrow should be nuked, and then nuked again just to make completely sure that every last trace of the damn place has gone. I don't know anyone who has had a trouble-free experience going through there, either arriving, leaving or transferring. When my girlfriend arrived for the first time on the 'meet the family' trip, she had a two-hour queue for immigration (after a ten-hour flight from LAX). Not the welcome to Britain that anyone should have to go through, and I was very embarrassed. If it's that bad early afternoon on a weekday (i.e. not the busiest time of day), I shudder to think what the rush hour must be like. Another problem is that LHR operates at something like 98% of its runway capacity, so all you need is a very minor problem, like bad weather closing a runway for a few hours, and you've got thousands of people sleeping on the terminal concourse. Once you add to that the woeful ground transportation to and from the place, and I'd do almost anything to avoid it.

Thankfully, living in the north of England there are some much saner alternatives. My favourite 'backdoor' into England is Teesside (MME), a tiny airport in the middle of the Yorkshire countryside that only has around 3-4 arrivals and departures a day, most of which are KLM Cityhoppers to AMS. From there you can connect painlessly and efficiently to virtually anywhere in the world. OK, the facilities at MME are a bit basic, but I'm not exaggerating in saying that from the plane's wheels touching the ground to driving out of the airport can be as little as 10-12 minutes, even with checked baggage to collect. If you're aiming for London, KLM/Delta/Air France also do connections to London City (LCY), another small airport with minimal queuing, and good public transport links to pretty much anywhere in Greater London. If you're willing to put up with an extra change of plane (coming from the US), I'd say that this was well worth it.

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Brad Miller
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TSA thieves

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TSA Agent Caught With Passenger's iPad in His Pants; Allegedly Took $50,000 in Other Goods, Cops Say
By Matthew Hendley Fri., Jul. 8 2011 at 3:24 PM

While most Transportation Security Administration employees are busy groping people or taking naked pictures of them, the cops say one of those employees was putting fliers' electronics down his pants.

The Broward Sheriff's Office says 30-year-old Nelson Santiago stole around $50,000 worth of electronics over the past six months from Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport's Terminal 1.

Santiago -- a TSA officer since 2009 -- was caught earlier this week by a Continental Airlines employee taking an iPad out of someone's luggage and stuffing it into his pants, the cops say.

After being arrested Monday on two counts of grand theft, police say Santiago admitted to stealing computers, GPS devices, video cameras, and other electronic merchandise from luggage he was supposed to be screening.

The cops say Santiago would immediately take pictures of his new goods and upload the photos online to sell the stuff.

Santiago would typically sell the stolen goods to people before his shift was even over, police say.

BSO detectives estimate that Santiago's haul totaled $50,000 over the past six months.

The cops are looking for people whose stuff has been stolen, although they say the chances of getting the stuff back are slim.

Santiago was released from jail on bond, although police say more charges against him are pending. According to police, Santiago no longer works with the TSA.

TSA steals again

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TSA Agent Grabs Rick Case's Pen, Faces Grand Theft Charges
By Stefan Kamph Fri., Jul. 22 2011 at 10:19 AM

Toussain Puddie used to work as a TSA security screener at Terminal 1 of Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport -- until he told police last month that he had taken home a pen belonging to local car dealership owner Rick Case. Case decided to press charges, despite Puddie's cooperation in returning the pen.

According to police, Case was preparing to board a Frontier Airlines flight out of Fort Lauderdale on June 5 when he and his wife were selected for special TSA screening. Case removed his $450 black-and-white Montblanc pen from his pocket and placed it in a basket. His wife carried the family cat through the x-ray machine.

Case didn't realize that he forgot the pen at the TSA checkpoint. His daugher Raquel called BSO the following day to report the pen stolen. She told BSO deputies that Case thought he had left the pen at the checkpoint.

A deputy responded to the checkpoint but didn't find anything. Puddie, a 30-year-old TSA employee, says he had seen the pen on top of a filing cabinet and, not knowing it was anything but a stray pen someone had left, took it home.

"I didn't think the pen was worth more than ten bucks," says Puddie.

It wasn't until a few weeks later, on June 22, when he realized the gravity of his action. Police talked with TSA employees, conducting an investigation. Puddie was called into the BSO office at the airport.

"The police told me all he wanted was his pen back," Puddie recalls. He says that he told police he had the pen and that a deputy then drove him to his home, where he retrieved the pen, and drove him back to the airport.

Then he says deputies told him to sit down and wait. When a deputy returned, Puddie says, "He told me that the owner wanted to press charges."

Puddie had worked at the TSA since April 2009 but was fired after being arrested. The BSO arrest report says Puddie confessed to taking the pen after he was read his Miranda rights.

Puddie says he didn't initially tell anyone he had the pen because "I didn't want to get in trouble."

He spent about 30 hours in jail and was released. He faces grand theft charges. According to police, "The defendant did temporarily or permanently deprive the victim of a right or benefit to his property."

What motivated the two-week hunt for Rick Case's pen? It might be standard procedure, but perhaps BSO is on high alert for TSA thefts after our story of an iPad disappearing down a screener's pants.


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Adam Martin
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My pen! My pen! My pen is missing!

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Brad Miller
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Was this what you were referring to?

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Frank Angel
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You touch my pen, dude, and I'll have you arrested.

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Leo Enticknap
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I didn't think I'd ever find myself saying this, but I'm kind of on the TSA guy's side over the pen episode. You would need to be a real pen buff to notice the difference between a $20 pen and one worth several hundred, I guess (in the same way that, say, you would need to be a hifi nerd to tell the difference between a $20 turntable cartridge and a $2,000 one just by looking at them), and the fact that the owner forgot to collect it on the other side of the x-ray suggests that he is wealthy enough for its loss not to be a big hardship. Furthermore, the TSA man came clean as soon as he was told that there was an issue, and so there was clearly no intention to deprive the owner of a valuable item of it permanently. If he'd said nothing the chances are that he'd have got away with it. I bet they get a bucket load of $10-20 pens abandoned at the checkpoint every day. He probably just grabbed it to fill in some form or other, put it in his pocket afterwards and the rest was history.

The iPad down the pants incident, on the other hand, was not only intentional theft pure and simple, but sounds very uncomfortable to boot.

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Randy Stankey
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First, the guy is not qualified to tell the difference between a $500 and a 50¢ pen. He's a security guard not an appraiser.

Second, regardless of whether it was worth $5,000,000 or 5¢, he should not have taken that pen. It doesn't matter whether he actually stole the pen or whether he found it on the floor. His job is to protect people and their belongings. If he finds an item lost in his work area, his job is to put it into Lost and Found, not his pocket.

The guy didn't do his job. He didn't do it the way he should have. If he doesn't do his job, he shouldn't be allowed to do it.

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Joe Redifer
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Maybe it was somewhat innocent, but the guy pressing charges over such a thing will perhaps deter other TSA agents from having sticky fingers.

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Steve Guttag
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Gee...what would be so hard for the TSA to have a lost-n-found...it would take care of such things. I'm sure loads of people accidentally leave stuff behind. That does not mean the TSA person can go shopping on what is left behind.

There should be a firm TSA policy on how long they will hold stuff in a Lost and Found and then it is to be donated to charity or some such thing.

-Steve

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Mike Blakesley
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I lost a set of car keys somewhere between Billings and Salt Lake City a couple of years ago....I'm sure I left it in the airport on one end of the trip or the other. We called the airports in both towns, described the keys but they never showed up. On the other hand, the car did not get stolen from the airport parking lot so I guess at least the Billings TSA folks are innocent on this one! [Smile]

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