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Brad Miller
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Texas Kicks Ass

quote:
Texas House bans 'offensive' security pat-downs
AUSTIN, TX -- The Texas House passed a bill that would make it a criminal offense for public servants to inappropriately touch travelers during airport security pat-downs.

Approved late Thursday night, the measure makes it illegal for anyone conducting searches to touch "the anus, sexual organ, buttocks, or breast of another person" including through clothing.

It also prohibits searches "that would be offensive to a reasonable person."

The bill's chief sponsor is Republican Rep. David Simpson, who said, "this has to do with dignity and travel, and prohibiting indecent, groping searches."

He believes it will keep Transportation Security Administration officials from treating travelers like criminals, though the measure may be superseded by federal law.

After a brief but raucous debate, lawmakers approved the measure with little opposition -- drawing applause from supporters.

(Copyright ©2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


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Randy Stankey
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This comes right on the heels of another story:
http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/05/13/143227/Babys-First-TSA-Patdown

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Baby's First TSA Patdown
Posted by samzenpus on Friday May 13, @10:52AM
from the I-feel-safer-already dept.
theodp writes:

"Is there anything cuter than baby milestones? Baby's first steps. Baby's first word. And now, baby's first TSA patdown. 'Well,' writes Anna North, 'it finally happened. Airport security officers gave a pat-down to a baby.' A post on the TSA blog defended the move: 'The child's stroller alarmed during explosives screening. Our officers followed proper current screening procedures by screening the family after the alarm...The [8-month-old] child in the photo was simply receiving a modified pat-down.' Hey, at least they didn't make a federal case of the 4 oz. of liquid found in the little tyke's Pampers."


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Adam Martin
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Everyone seems so offended by children and the frail receiving security pat-downs. But really, tell me a less-suspicious place for someone with no respect for life to strap a bomb or weapon?

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Frank Angel
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Well the how bout the rectum? Now that's a pretty secretive place that someone who has no respect for life could hide all manner of explosives. Do we allow TSA agents to do anus probes at their whim (or whiff)? Where does it stop? How about at unreasonable.

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Randy Stankey
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I don't think this is so much about action as it is about attitude. (i.e. It's not what you say but how you say it.)

Think about the way we have to act in the theater. If you tell a customer, "No, you can't sit in that seat!" the guy is going to give you shit: "Why not?" But, if you say, "Excuse me, sir, your seat is right this way," while you courteously direct him to the right spot, his response will likely be much more pleasant and, if you play your part well, he might even thank you.

The requirements of airline security are different but I think the principle is the same. If you tell everybody to line up, drop their drawers and grab their ankles, of course, people are going to get upset! But, if you can get people to think that they are helping you keep the airports secure, they are more likely to understand.

Yes, it's easier said than done... I don't know how to pull that off but I'm sure you will understand my meaning.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Randy Stankey
If you tell everybody to line up, drop their drawers and grab their ankles, of course, people are going to get upset! But, if you can get people to think that they are helping you keep the airports secure, they are more likely to understand.
But Randy that has no bearing here. TSA clearly believes the population are morons. Granted most of them are, but they are NOT doing anything to help keep the airports secure. In essence all they are doing is taking away all forms of defense from the good guys who will play by the rules and pretend the bad guys won't smuggle their weapons in up a baby's ass (or their own).

TSA will steal someone's harmless fingernail clippers, yet permit them to carry their KEYS onto the plane. That key is a perfectly suitable weapon, particularly when it is on a ring with other keys. Grab your keys in the palm of your hand, take the two nastiest keys and set them to protrude between your first 3 fingers as you make a fist and then start throwing punches at people. Duh!

Not that it matters too much. Just yesterday I dropped off a friend at the airport and had warned him before he left that they would confiscate his deadly long metal fingernail file with a very sharp point on the end, as well as a pair of scissors. He said I didn't know what I was talking about that "they have never taken those items away from him when he travels". He texted me from the airport saying he walked right through with them.

Want to smuggle in a weapon? Its EASY! For example at those rotating exit doors into the non-secure areas of the airport (baggage claim) stand by the door, reach down to tie your shoes, drop your gun from inside your pants leg onto the floor and gently kick it inside the rotating door. The action of you standing up as you kick it in will attract anyone's eyes who happens to glance over, not a small item you have gently kicked into the door. Meanwhile your terrorist buddy is on the other side of the door and grabs it from the secure area of the airport and carries it onto the plane. Am I the only person who sees these MAJOR loopholes? Come on, I'm not even trying to look for ways to get weapons on a plane. They are so damn obvious it makes me angry.

But the best of all...in first class they actually serve REAL KNIVES with their dinners. Problem solved...just fly first class and let the airline GIVE you the weapon!

All this money they are WASTING on the TSA project could have been placed into funding to install a "terrorist button" on each plane, that upon being pressed locally or remotely would remove ALL CONTROL from the plane and force it to land at the nearest airport on auto pilot.

Fucking morons. They have no comprehension of logic or how to effectively do their jobs. [fu]

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David E. Nedrow
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First, we've already had an "ass bomber" who attempted to assassinate a Saudi prince using a bomb inserted into his rectum. Here's a CBS report after the incident.

Ass-assination

Second, re: the ludicrous pat down stuff, alarmist Chuck Schumer is introducing legislation that would require the same stupid procedures for trains, including "no-ride" lists. This because there was a mention of trains in materials pulled from Bin Laden's home.

A no-ride list for Amtrak?

As many people have noted, a train is nothing like a plane. You don't need to be on a train to kill people in it. And, it can't be hijacked and driven willy-nilly around the landscape.

How long before we have to have pat downs in order to drive a car through tunnels?

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Brad Miller
TSA will steal someone's harmless fingernail clippers, yet permit them to carry their KEYS onto the plane.
I read a story where a military guy was going through and they wouldn't let him take his clippers.

TSA agent: It could be used as a weapon
Military dude: (points to gun he's carrying) But this *is* a weapon and you're letting me take it on.
Agent: But you can't take over the plane with it. You've got no ammo.
Military dude: But I can with a set of clippers?

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Randy Stankey
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My point has nothing to do with the reasonableness or propriety of their policies. It has everything to do with the way those policies are enforced and the attitude of the people who enforce them.

You could convince people to eat a shit sandwich and like it if you went about it the right way.

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David E. Nedrow
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Randy, you're absolutely right. It's the "don't spook 'em" routine.

I haven't flown since the "take off your shoes" rule. I don't care how pleasant the poor TSA sap is, if I wouldn't take off my shoes, I sure wouldn't submit to groping and full body imaging.

Hopefully, Schumer's bill won't go anywhere, and I can still ride the train -- when in civilized areas -- without the dulcet tones of my friendly TSA groper.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote:
Want to smuggle in a weapon? Its EASY!
Careful Brad, you're going to wind up on the "no fly" list!

But seriously, they have spent all these millions of dollars on full-body scanners...why hasn't anyone figured out a way to scan people's shoes without them being taken off? Seems like that should be a lot easier and reduce the hassle at the security line immensely.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Randy Stankey
You could convince people to eat a shit sandwich and like it if you went about it the right way.
Bullshit. Convince me to eat a shit sandwich.

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Joe Redifer
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The cockpit door remains locked and un-enterable at all times now, doesn't it? Shouldn't that solve most problems? Sure, everyone on the wrong side of that door may die, but the plane doesn't go anywhere the pilot doesn't want it to go... assuming that the pilot is sober, of course. My point is that you really can't take over a plane if you can't get into the cockpit.

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Paul Mayer
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But you can blow it up, if you've snuck the necessary components aboard. No physical security measures will stop a determined suicide crew.

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Randy Stankey
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Brad, you know that was a rhetorical device. A figure of speech.

Besides, your mind is already made up. Regardless of what I say, you have already decided to resist. It makes no difference what I say.

That, in itself, proves my point. Those government idiots have behaved so badly that they have already set your mind against them, before you even started this thread.

Here's another rhetorical device, just in case you don't notice:
Perhaps, when this latest "increase in security" began in 2001, if airport security played "Stars and Stripes Forever" over loudspeakers and waved the American Flag all over the place , people would have joined in to perform their "Patriotic Duty" to root out terrorists?

Yes, it's a silly scenario and it wouldn't really happen but it illustrates my point. If TSA starts out with a bad attitude, the people who travel through airports will have a bad attitude and it will spread. But, if they had a different attitude from the start, things might have been different. I think, if that was true, there wouldn't be people like you yelling out how much they hate airline security at every opportunity.

Just for disclosure, I don't like them any more than you do. Maybe even less.

I'll go back to my original example because most of us either have seen it happen or can try it as an experiment.

If you are working in a theater and you say to a customer, "No! You can't go in that theater!" chances are that they'll get upset and will probably argue with you. If you tell them something like, "Excuse me, sir, your theater is right this way," they are much more likely to comply and you are even likely to get a "Thank you" in reply.

Had the people at the TSA started out with a different attitude, I am certain the situation would be much different today. That doesn't mean that people will necessarily like it any more.

Do you enjoy going to the dentist to have your teeth drilled? Probably not unless you are a masochist. But, if your dentist has a good attitude and his staff has a pleasant demeanor, you will put up with it long enough to get the job done.

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