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Michael Coate
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quote: Bobby Henderson
And here's an ad for The Remains of the Day
That ad must be from several weeks into the film's run after some bookings closed and/or switched to 35mm for moveovers to a smaller auditorium. When it first opened it had numerous L.A. area bookings in 70mm.

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And, here are a few more ad scans for your enjoyment...

First up is one for the infamous Munich engagement of The Sound of Music. (The presentation was shortened/censored by several minutes by the German exhibitor, without approval from the filmmakers or 20th Century-Fox. The cuts, essentially, rendered incoherent much of the film, particularly the final act. Reviews, not surprisingly, were negative, and the engagement closed after a mere three weeks.)

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From Minneapolis, 1971 re-issue. (Note it's presented in 70mm rather than Cinerama.)

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1968 re-issue, Tokyo.

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1977 re-issue, Los Angeles. (The book Wide Screen Movies claims Tommy was in 70mm during initial release, but this re-release ad suggests the 70s came along after the initial run.)

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1990, New York. (Note it's in CDS rather than mag Dolby.)

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Bobby Henderson
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Damn it! Beat me to Edward Scissorhands! I have full page New York Times and Los Angeles Times ads of that one.

quote: Brad Miller
Well it is entirely possible they got a 70mm print in the day before they opened, but to have me out to the site to find the cause of the scratching right beforehand and not to mention it was going to be a 70mm seems a little odd.
Considering the scratch I saw on the print, it would have been more merciful if it was a 35mm print. I'm still pretty sure (but not absolutely positive) it was a 70mm print.

If the show was 70mm one theory I can imagine is the distributor gave the UA Cine a 70mm print some other theater had already scratched. Baraka had already been in theatrical release for a few months in the US and longer than that in Europe. If the Cine is going to be showing the movie with scratches regardless of whether it was in 35mm or 70mm might as well give them an already flawed 70mm print. At least the show would look significantly better and sound a lot better. And they were advertising the engagement as being 70mm.

On the bright side, I don't think the UA Cine ever showed anything in 70mm after that Baraka engagement. Unfortunately not many other theaters in Dallas did either.

quote: Michael Coate
That ad must be from several weeks into the film's run as bookings closed and/or switched to 35mm for moveovers to a smaller auditorium. When it first opened it had numerous L.A. area bookings in 70mm.
That's correct. I scanned that ad for The Remains of the Day out of the same L.A. Times Calender issue that had the Geronimo 70mm ad. The issue also had a big 2 page spread for Schindler's List.

Here's a New York ad for The Godfather: Part III
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Tom Petrov
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Robert Harrison
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Slightly off topic, but interesting nonetheless: a theater which actually showed a VistaVision film IN VistaVision!

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Of course, they had to bring up that "stereoscopic" nonsense, this being the fifties, as they did with early CinemaScope.

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Manny Knowles
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Stereoscopic...as in "3D" or were they exaggerating?

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Bobby Henderson
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Here's a couple more Dick Tracy ads. The first one is from Dallas followed by a smaller one from Oklahoma City.

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And here's an ad from Dallas for Back to the Future Part III:

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Michael Coate
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Now that you brought up the Northpark...

This one is from around Christmas of '77 and emphasizes the Northpark's mid-run upgrade to a 70mm presentation.

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Christian Appelt
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quote: Michael Coate
First up is one for the infamous Munich engagement of The Sound of Music. (The presentation was shortened/censored by several minutes by the German exhibitor, without approval from the filmmakers or 20th Century-Fox. The cuts, essentially, rendered incoherent much of the film, particularly the final act. Reviews, not surprisingly, were negative, and the engagement closed after a mere three weeks.)
The cutting was certainly an important reason, but there is more to it. THE SOUND OF MUSIC was preceded by two German/Austrian films based on Maria von Trapp's autobiography, and both DIE TRAPP-FAMILIE (1956, dir. Wolfgang Liebeneiner) and DIE TRAPP-FAMILIE IN AMERIKA (1958) were extremely popular in Germany and Austria.

Now, add the fact that most American films were dubbed for German releases, even musicals like SINGIN' IN THE RAIN and MY FAIR LADY (and yes, the musical numbers too).

"Singin' in the Rain" - dubbed in German

Getting Germans to watch the well-known Trapp tale played by American and British actors with dubbed songs was a bit too much, and Rodgers & Hammerstein were not the household name they were in the U.S.

It's like expecting American audiences to accept foreign remakes of OKLAHOMA or A CHORUS LINE played by non-english actors, overdubbed in English, just a few years after two successful domestic films. Regardless, TSOM is a much better film than the two German films that preceded it.

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John Wilson
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Hey Tom...thanks for starting this thread. It's one of the greats. [thumbsup]

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Michael Coate
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Detroit, Christmas '77...

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Bobby Henderson
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I think it's pretty annoying a lot of newspaper ads for Close Encounters of the Third Kind used the "Super Panavision" or "Super Panavision 70" terms. The movie was shot on 35mm, anamorphic using Panavision cameras. The visual effects were the only thing shot in 65mm. It was essentially a blow-up movie like so many of the movies using 70mm prints after 1970.

Here's an ad for Patriot Games in New York:
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Closer detail view of the 70mm listings:
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Another Geronimo ad, this time from Dallas:
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It's kind of funny how Wes Studi is the star on this poster while the white dudes take top billing on the L.A. ad.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I think it's pretty annoying a lot of newspaper ads for Close Encounters of the Third Kind used the "Super Panavision" or "Super Panavision 70" terms. The movie was shot on 35mm...
Even the Star Wars ads got in on the deceptive "Super Panavision 70" action in some markets, like this example from the Houston Chronicle in December 1977.

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And a few more "annoying" CE3K ads...

From Chicago...

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Tallahassee, FL...

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A closer view...

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And one (from Philadelphia) that's a little less deceptive...

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Bobby Henderson
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I seem to remember even seeing some one-sheet artwork for Close Encounters where they put the "Super Panavision" thing at the bottom of the poster.

Here's a couple more ads from Dallas:
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And here's that Edward Scissorhands ad from Los Angeles, with the 70mm CDS thing blown up at the bottom of it:
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Jonathan Goeldner
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Michael Coate, the Christmas 77 'Star Wars' ad seems not to be displaying all the image - ???

love this thread and all the ads! [Smile]

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Manny Knowles
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Yeah, I'm loving these too.

I think it's time for some procedural questions for the "scanners"...

1. What prompted you to start collecting these ads?

2. Do you only collect the ads for 70mm engagements, or everything? What do you (or don't you) collect?

3. How did you get the ads from cities other than your own? Do you go around visiting libraries? Or did you happen to visit and/or live in these places at these times?

4. How do you keep your collections organized?

5. Are you using yellow highlighter on your originals? or is that digital highlighter?

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