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Author Topic: What kind of car does everyone drive? Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-19-2014 01:18 PM                     Although I'm not a Ford Fan but I will say when choosing a replacement oil Filter I would take a MOTORCRAFT OIL FILTER over a FRAM(unless it's their HP Series) any day of the week. Years ago. I got a Fram,Motorcraft,Wix,Hastings,purolater,Delco-Remy and a couple other less popular names. I sawed the filters length wise to compare their Filtering Properties. FRAM was actually the worst. The 2 best for finest Micron Filtering were the HASTINGS and the MOTORCRAFT. I chose the HASTINGS at that time simply because they use to Tack weld a 7/8" Nut on the Bottom of the Filter for easy Take off with a Ratchet & Socket but I would have also used the MOTORCRAFT in a Pinch. Don't fudge on an Oil Filter, This is what keeps Fine metallic particles,Dirt,etc. from circulating through your oiling system and causing Bearing Damage and other related Damage...Spend the Extra buck or 2...  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-19-2014 07:55 PM                        Fram was a good filter years ago until they got in bed with the K-Marts and WalMarts of the world and being "cheapest" became the most important thing.  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 08-19-2014 09:02 PM                     I use Puroilator. Fram and ACDelco have both gone to shit. The anti-drainback valves are cardboard and make for hard starts. I use Wal-Mart Super-Tech Synthetic, which has been tested as good as some of the premium oils. 5 quart jug and an oil filter comes to about $23. Not bad for a synthetic change. I go 5,000 intervals. I could pretty easily go 10,000, but for peace of mind on my 283,000 mile engine and the fact that I'm only changing once every 5-6 months anyway, I do 5k. I'm very satisfied with this combo, I've been running it on all my cars for a few years now  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-20-2014 03:58 PM                     You Vette kids... All new Vette's have been leaving the factory with synthetic in them for a number of years now. Go back to regular liquid fosils at your own risk! Monte... I have always run synthetic in my Hummer and there has never been an issue, it runs like the day we bought it. I get the oil changed about every 8 months or 12K miles. 118K on the engine and it doesn't loose a drop of oil. Mark  |  IP: Logged Mike Rivest Expert Film Handler Posts: 185 From: Montréal QC Canada Registered: Nov 2009 posted 08-20-2014 03:59 PM                     BMW - Bus Metro Walk in Montreal.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-20-2014 06:07 PM                     Mark you must have been one of the many suckered into the Synthetic PR Campaign that all the Oil Companies got together on. Petroleum oil has been around decades longer than Synthetics and there was no problem with it's use. Hell there were NYC Checker Taxi Cabs that had 200,000+ miles on them still going strong using Petroleum Oil. Like I said before "Lazy Man's Oil" If you want to believe all the hype they say about Synthetic Oil than go ahead and have your pocket picked for that ridiculously priced stuff. You may only change your oil every 6 months;but if I pulled the Pan off your Engine it wouldn't look like you think it should. The oil companies remind me of what the Automotive Paint Industry started doing in the 80's after EPA wanted GM to quit painting their Cars with solvent based Acrylic Lacquer. When they used a Waterbased ACRYLIC it didn't work that great so were going to paint everything with catalized Acrylic Enamel Basecoat/Clearcoat. They(Paint Mfg) almost monthly started raising the price of their products so that a Gallon of Paint that use to Cost a Paint/Body shop maybe 30 dollars is now 30 times that and more... People that are too lazy to change their own oil or have it changed by someone only once or twice a year usually are the ones that have problems down the line and they can't figure out why ( I use this miracle synthetic oil why is my car using more oil than usual ,or why is my oil a funny color,etc. Thanks but I'll stick with something that has been around,Tried and tested 100+ YEARS and still(although higher than it should be) is still a lot cheaper than overly priced Synthetics.... Mark; The only reason Corvettes come with MOBIL 1 is they get a fat kickback from MOBIL-EXON for promoting their oil. It still all comes down to Big money for GM or any other Auto maker, not what their Engineers may really want to put in the Engines...  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 08-20-2014 06:52 PM                     That has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on this forum. I don't even know where to begin.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-20-2014 06:54 PM                        That's funny, I've been in the auto parts biz for over 30 years and you would think we'd have heard from somewhere that synthetic oil is a big scam and isn't really necessary. But I have never heard that from anyone in my whole life until you, Steve. We deal with at least two dozen mechanics around here -- old guys and young guys, hobbyists and professionals -- all of them use synthetic when it's called for and they gripe about the cost of it, but they use it. If you think the auto parts stores are in on the "scam," think again because if people are convinced they can go 50k or whatever miles between oil changes, they're going to buy less oil from us, not more. And the markup on synthetic is no better than it is on regular oil. Since it's always going on sale, we're lucky to get 10% out of any of the stuff on the average. I have a hard time believing that the oil industry can afford to "pay off" all the auto manufacturers and related companies, not to mention the parts retailers and outfits like Consumer Reports, Car & Driver, Hot Rod, etc., all of whom say that you should use the type of oil recommended by the manufacturer and if you don't, it's at your own risk. If you drive a car 15,000 miles a year, you would drive 100,000 miles in about 6 1/2 years. If you change the oil every 7,000, that's about 14 oil changes. If synthetic costs $3 a quart more than regular oil and you use 5 quarts in a change, that's $210 more that you've spent in those miles, or $32 a year. It's not exactly major bucks.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-20-2014 09:12 PM                     Mike;I never said Auto Parts Stores were part of any Scam.I'm saying oil companies use the Auto Industry to promote their products. Apparently you haven't seen what EXON's Net Profits have been the last few years.45 Billion, 48 Billion,etc. and that's NET. That's a lot more than GM, Ford, and Chrysler Net. They can certainly give GM or Any Auto Maker a Super price on Thousands of Barrels of Oil to put in New Cars coming off the Assembly Line.Automakers are still after Profits and if I get their Oil at a Bargain Price and all I have to do is recommend it to the car buyer than that's what I will do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lshd7WR-a6I  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-20-2014 09:52 PM                        You need to keep in mind though that profit is not a bad thing. How else do you think research, development and improvement happen? Also, just because Exxon has a good year doesn't mean that every year is good. They have down years too. quote: Steve Matz Automakers are still after Profits Every business on God's green earth is after profits. The more the better! This is how businesses grow. No profits, or not enough profits = closed doors. I just run a piddly little movie theater and an auto parts store in the middle of Nowhere, Montana and guess what I'm after? I'm just glad that my businesses are small enough that we don't have to report our profits to the media, so nobody is casting judgement on whether we've made too much money or not. quote: Steve Matz I never said Auto Parts Stores were part of any Scam. No but you implied that the entire automotive industry, which includes parts stores, has its head in the sand with regard to synthetic oil.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-20-2014 10:29 PM                     Come on Mike name me a Year when EXXON has had a bad Profit Year. The really sad part about this Company is they still haven't paid off all the People owed Money from the EXXON VALDEZ Disaster. Just because something/product is recommended in an Owner's Manual doesn't mean it's crucial to the Reliability/performance of that particular Vehicle...  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-21-2014 12:27 AM                     quote: Buck Wilson That has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've seen on this forum. I don't even know where to begin. Not Quite as Ridiculous as Someone who Trashes and Vandalizes the same Movie Theater he supposedly worked for...You know what I'm Talkin about...Be careful with your Words!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 08-21-2014 01:50 AM                     Funny is that we all tug and pull on synth oils ( AMSOIL is the one that really comes up to mind - with all of the testimonies on how great this oil, and AMSOIL tranny fluid/gear oil/filter are) is, but it comes down that the filter still needs to be changed out, at least 5K miles. Thing with synth oils is that the molecules are the same size, thus gives more durability and doesn't evaporate as with dino oils where their molecules are of different sizes, which allows breakdown and evaporation. Another oil that has that lot of hype, but doesn't impress me is that Royal Purple stuff. Now, heard of Brad Penn oils due to the high content of zinc in that product for performance applications. For oil, either dino or synth, is still going to get particles in suspension that needs to be filter out. Course, I'm running a turbo, thus I do use Mobil 1 10w/30 synth for that light performance application, but do agree: keep the oil/filter changed every 3K/3months and no motor issues will surface. And on the topic of FRAM: I used to run FRAM filters on vehicles from new to motors went well over 100K miles and never had problems.I used to use cheap CHECKER Flag oil (I'd buy that stuff by the case at all times) with the FRAM filters for couldn't see shoving in more expensive oils, but as long as the oil came out of the pan between a three to four month interval. Now, I use NAPA (built by WIX) for the turbo and used factory issued filters for the other vehicle due to the warranty coverage. Course, once again, I do the 3K rule, for when that oil gets worn out, one can tell that the motor is struggling a bit with performance. When the change is done, one can feel the lost HP come back to being used once again. quote: Every business on God's green earth is after profits. The more the better! Minimum is 20% daily profit just to keep the doors open. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Joe Elliott Master Film Handler Posts: 497 From: Port Orange, Fl USA Registered: Oct 2006 posted 08-21-2014 02:24 AM                     I have to say the same thing about synthetic oil. It does work much better, and I do not need to look at any studies that are supposedly doctored by the oil companies. I have started swearing by synthetic oil, since I had a 88 Crown Vic that was having an overheating problem. By simply switching to synthetic oil, that alone lowered the engine temperature by 20 degrees. If it can reduce enough friction to lower it by that much, its doing a much better job they fossil oils.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 08-21-2014 08:05 AM                     quote: Mike Blakesley The price you got from Advance figures out to $11.67 a quart Mike, the price they gave me was for a 5 quart jug? and maybe 1 or 2 quart bottles? I think the capacity is 6 1/2 quarts in my car. quote: Steve Matz People that are too lazy to change their own oil or have it changed by someone only once or twice a year usually are the ones that have problems down the line and they can't figure out why Steve, The problem is I can't change it myself. The car was designed to be light, so there is no spare tire, so - no jack or points to jack it up if I used a different one from another car. I don't know if a floor jack will slide underneath it, and if so I wouldn't be able to see were to place it. I thought about a set of ramps, but I think the front is is too low and long that it would hit before the tires hit the ramps. Also the tires may be too wide for ramps. If that did work then I would also want to buy jack stands for safety. Anyway I would attempt to do it, it seems alot easier, less time consuming and about the same cost to let my mechanic do it. ( I don't own jack stands or ramps anymore since my divorce. If I'm lucky I might be able to find one of each )  |  IP: Logged

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