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James Westbrook
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- posted 12-03-2011 01:52 PM      Profile for James Westbrook   Email James Westbrook   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I recall reading some computer "expert" claiming that the mp3 format was just as good as WAV but had the advantage of using less space on one's hard drive.
That expert must have had a friend who worked at the local then-owned-by Clear Channel stations as they received songs from their providers via mp3 e-mail attachment. Yet the manufacturers of the radio automation computer software recommended using WAV files imported from cds. (At least the software companies I have checked online.)
Yet in my home set-up, having my desk top computer hooked up to the tape jacks on the back of my Onkyo receiver through my baby Advent speakers I can tell the difference between a WAV file imported from a cd vs an mp3 imported from same cd, and can also tell the difference between WAV and the format used by iTunes.
So it wasn't "just in my head" after all.

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Greg Anderson
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Tone your anger down a notch or two...
Um, riiiiiight. I'm so angry.

Meanwhile, someone around here, in just this one discussion, has already used all kinds of colorful language to complain about iTunes, Amazon, online music retailers in general, modern music mastering, what passes for Country music today, "today's music" in general, movie theatre crowds, "dinosaur" rock bands, the price of concerts today, the economy in general, prices at Hastings and Suncoast, WalMart's music policies, artwork on CD packaging, and the backwards nature of his own hometown.

But, no, I'm the one who's too angry to be a part of this discussion. My opinions must therefor be irrational and I am totally discredited.

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Robert E. Allen
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- posted 12-04-2011 12:40 AM      Profile for Robert E. Allen   Email Robert E. Allen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Don't sweat it Greg. I may not have used the colorful language but I don't think much of today's music or it's delivery systems. I'm still morning the demise of LPs. And I'm really annoyed (the most polite word I could think of) that the film distributors are trying to kill off DVDs with this stupid thing called Bluray. I still have about 300 VHS tapes and a player.

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Bobby Henderson
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- posted 12-04-2011 10:37 AM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Greg Anderson
Um, riiiiiight. I'm so angry.
Yes you are, Greg. Because you're turning it into a personal insult pissing match against me instead staying focused on the topic.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Robert E. Allen
I'm still morning the demise of LPs.
As opposed to evening them? [Wink]

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Tom Petrov
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- posted 12-04-2011 01:43 PM      Profile for Tom Petrov     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Greg Anderson
iTunes is for the mass market and it has raised the quality standard for the vast majority of consumers.
Hey Greg, I do have to agree with you that iTunes (or downloading) has raised the quality standard for a lot of consumers. Quality cannot just be measures with how high def the source is or how many bits and bytes the data has.

You could argue that quality can be measured by convenience as well. iTunes has opened the door to the accessibility of music that many consumers would not of heard or purchased in the past. It is nice that you can buy just one song or two from and album and build your own tracklist with just the simple click of a button.

Also, the availablity of podcasts and shows which were once unheard of are a great feature iTunes and listening to them on your portable device is a good feature.

Also, it is nice that you can import your Cds to your iTunes and then listen to them on your portable device and the gym, while walking or out on a bike.

For most people, iTunes and downloading is not a replacement for listening to music on expensive sound system with high grade speakers and such, iTunes is used for portable music, in the car, while at the gym etc etc.

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Aaron Garman
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We'll never see lossless adoption across the board for music until cell carriers/ISPs improve their bandwith and make it easier to download large files. The business model behind iTunes and its imitators is convenience convenience convenience. Just the other day I was in my car after the Muppets, humming We Built this City by Starship, and really wanted the song. So I got on my iPhone and paid $.99 for the impulse. I was able to rock out to it all the way home, with relatively good fidelity. For this sort of service, I love iTunes.

Of course, there is other music I want to listen critically to, like John Williams' upcoming score to War Horse, which I plan to purchase on CD. Even if it was a lossless download, I'm willing to pay more for a CD so I have a nice backup copy once I rip it to my library in Apple Lossless.

AJG

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Aaron Garman
We'll never see lossless adoption across the board for music until cell carriers/ISPs improve their bandwith and make it easier to download large files.
We don't need lossless across the board if the majority of people who download music listens to their the way you listened to "We built this city"

quote: Aaron Garman
Of course, there is other music I want to listen critically to, like John Williams' upcoming score to War Horse, which I plan to purchase on CD.
This will always been a small market and it will always will be.

I am curious, when you do listen to your music critically, what is your set up?

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Aaron Garman
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You can still have impulse buying plus lossless to please all parts of the market: but there isn't going to be a push for it until bandwith increases (both through ISP and the devices themselves). It took us until Blu-ray to get lossless audio at home again (LaserDiscs had LPCM).

Critical listening is done on my home theater system, so not ideal for audio but it will do: Onkyo receiver, Klipsch reference series towers, and a JBL sub. When I do two-channel music though I prefer to skip all processing and send full range to the main channels. Sources include a Sony Blu-ray deck and AppleTV via HDMI with lots of my audio encoded in Apple Lossless. I also have a 80s vintage Yamaha turntable and Pioneer DVD-Audio/SACD player but they aren't hooked up right now.

I can never consider the car a critical listening space, but the system in my Jetta is rather good. I have a 6 disc changer in there plug connectivity for an iPod and Bluetooth for the iPhone.

I did finally upgrade my Beatles songs in iTunes to lossless, but I blame the increase on quality more on the remastering rather than the compression used. My Beatles stuff prior to lossless was all encdoed in 320kbps MP3.

AJG

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Aaron Garmin
I was in my car after the Muppets, humming We Built this City by Starship, and really wanted the song. So I got on my iPhone and paid $.99 for the impulse.
Wow, and people thought driving and texting is dangerous. I guess it's OK to drive and browse/purchase in iTunes. That's not dangerous or inconsiderate of other people's lives at all.

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Mike Blakesley
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He could have made the purchase while parked or at a stoplight. The troubling part is, he thinks "We Built This City" is a good song. (But then he redeems himself by being a John Williams fan, so it balances out I guess.)

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Mark Lensenmayer
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In 2004, USA Today declared WE BUILT THIS CITY to be the worst record ever.

The complete list was:

1. We Built This City Starship 1985
2. Achy Breaky Heart Billy Ray Cyrus 1992
3. Everybody Have Fun Tonight Wang Chung 1986
4. Rollin' Limpbizkit 2000
5. Ice Ice Baby Vanilla Ice 1990
6. The Heart of Rock & Roll Huey Lewis & The News 1984
7. Don't Worry, Be Happy Bobby McFerrin 1988
8. Party All the Time Eddie Murphy 1985
9. American Life Madonna 2003
10. Ebony and Ivory Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder 1982

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Victor Liorentas
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I think We Built This City is a good song melody and the production end of it sounds good in a new at that time digital thinness sort of way.
If the lyrics were about something else and the group was not a thin imitation of Jefferson Starship,I don't think the song would be so maligned.
I like the song Sarah from that album a whole lot.

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Joe Redifer
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I don't understand the whole "Jefferson" and "Starship" thing. Wasn't there a Jefferson Airplane or some such thing? Are they the same band? Is there a Starship band without the "Jefferson" in front of it? Same band? What the hell? Are there other Jefferson bands named after different types of vehicles that have not been mentioned here?

As for "We Built This City", I have not heard it since I was a kid. Yet I remember everything about it. No need to buy it if I want to listen to it, I can play it back on command inside my head. I even remember their video with crappy green screen. Every single pixel of the video is stored in my brain, yet I have only seen it a handful of times when I was a kid. Stupid, infectious thing.

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Mike Blakesley
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Joe: Jefferson Airplane became Jefferson Starship and then finally just Starship. Then later, Jefferson Airplane reformed briefly again for one album and a tour. All due to various people owning rights to the band name. I would go into more detail except for two reasons: 1. I don't know all the facts without looking it up, and 2. I know you don't give a shit about the details anyway.

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