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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 08-14-2004 08:32 AM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:

Wolff King Morrow:

I often get stares of "you're crazy" looks on people's faces when I tell them what the correct way to break a movie down is.

quote:

Frank Angel:

Wollf, that's when you step up to the plate and give them a "Yah, and you're a dumn-as-shit A-hole" look right back at them.

I just give them the "simple answer":

"Do it the way I tell you or get the fuck out of my booth!"

I have had to call for replacement reels on used prints and have never been charged for them, provided that the call is placed on or before the playdate AND you describe the damage exactly. One a couple of occasions, I have even requested a whole new print, even. There was a big scratch right down the middle of the picture.

Once you've played the film and you try to report damage, you had better have a good explanation as to why the print was OK before but it's not OK now.

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Scott Norwood
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As much as I respect Frank, I'm going to disagree with him on adding emulsion-scratched cues to prints.

If a print arrives either without cues or with grossly mis-spaced cues, I see no problem whatsoever with adding well-made Clint Phare cues in the proper locations. The cues should have been there anyway and will be useful to other theatres which may get the print, especially if said other theatres don't have proper cue markers and might do worse damage to the print. Better to have one theatre provide "cues done right" than to have several that add "cues done wrong" and cause more damage to the print.

Of course, the above only applies to prints without good, usable lab. cues. At that point, there's no excuse for adding cues (or scribing over existing ones), and certainly not on more than one frame. The possible exception would be the addition of a curtain cue in the lower-right corner during the credits, but, again, that can be a single-frame cue and won't be noticed by most people anyway (since most will be gone by the end of the credits, sadly).

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John Pytlak
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Custom cues like "curtain cues" should always be made in a way that can be completely removed from the print when it is returned to the distributor. Permanently scribed cues (i.e., Clint Phare marker) should only be used in the absence of visible bona fide lab printed cues, and then only in the exact locations specified by Standard SMPTE 301M. Anything else is defacing the print, and should not be tolerated.

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Jim Bedford
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I know this will surprise everyone, but TECHNICOLOR, YOU SUCK! How could you send us a print of "Bourne Supremecy" with newly poked sprocket holes dancing across the image of the entire print? (But thanks for getting us a replacement print in just three hours from my call. Why send it in the first place? Nice film inspection.....Not!)

Don't know who had it in their booth before we got it, but whoever you are, YOU SUCK TOO. I've heard of misthreading, but you've given me a reason to support the death penalty.

Thanks Brad..... I feel so much better now. Now if I can only find the booth that crucified this print and tell them to their face I'll be happy.

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Robert L. Fischer
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The entire print? The previous theater actually ran it that way? Wow.

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William Hooper
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As much as I really, really respect Scott, I'm in Frank Angel's camp on this one. Not just the prints with warnings, but too many beautiful, mint prints with platter house frame attrition, too many prints with an intolerable, distracting blizzard of cues at the end, too much seeing into the future & seeing a contribution to the problem. I just decided I wasn't going to be a part of it any more.

My Clint Phare marker doesn't come out of the box of camping gear anymore. I've actually found it easier & faster, after having to had to run it through the frame counter anyway, to just stick an adhesive, removable dot on there than take it out, stick it in the marker, scribe the cues, take it out again. Speed too often is driving inspection, anyway.

I've actually gotten lazier, faster, & less sticker-applying than Frank, & just mark the motor start. The network clock that has permanently burned onto my retinas & into my brain just counts it down to the changeover.

It would be just as simple & the same speed improvement for anyone else to just get one of those cheapo $4 stopwatches from Sports'R'Us, wear it on a lanyard around the neck tangled up with the binoculars, & hold it in the same hand with the thumb you use to punch the sound changeover.

Click strips are cool, but too artsy-craftsy for me.

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Steve Kraus
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If the incoming reel has a head splice you simply hit the C/O after you've heard it go through.

BTW, what is the official spec for the C/O cue? 24 frames from end inclusive or exclusive? That is, 4 dots then 20 frames til end or 4 dots then 24 frames til end. In practice it was always the former but often now it is the latter.

Clint Phare-ing my next show as I post this while running a different one. And two more after that.

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Steve Scott
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Print #0023 of Chicken Run... at least the last theater to handle this spliced the heads and tails back on, although they did leave two melted frames in the credits [Eek!] And somehow, TAP thought that R4 was grade A, even through the green scratches during the last few minutes of the reel. With care, theis print might last for years if the dreamworks logo doesn't get any rougher.

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Brad Miller
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Steve, TAP only checked prints when they were brand new. I'm sure straight out of the lab that reel WAS a "grade A". It has probably played at 50 theaters since then.

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Steve Kraus
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Given the entropy of our society, how people seem to be getting dumber and dumber and no longer able to do things that were taken for granted not long ago, I forsee a post-film future where people simply cannot imagine how this fragile medium was ever handled and projected even once without dirt and scratching let alone for weeks and months.

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John Pytlak
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quote: Steve Kraus
I forsee a post-film future where people simply cannot imagine how this fragile medium was ever handled and projected even once without dirt and scratching let alone for weeks and months.

In other words, the "good old days" when projection was a real career, and not just a part time job. [Frown]

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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quote:
BTW, what is the official spec for the C/O cue? 24 frames from end inclusive or exclusive? That is, 4 dots then 20 frames til end or 4 dots then 24 frames til end. In practice it was always the former but often now it is the latter.

SMPTE 55 (Universal leader) specifies "4 dots" then 24 frames. SMPTE 301 (Projection leader) specifies "4 dots" then 18 frames.

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Steve Kraus
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22 inclusive? Hmm...I don't recall seeing that.

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Carl Martin
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having different standards for countdown (ft. vs. seconds) is bad enough but different cue placement standards is just asking for trouble.

most new prints i see have 24 frames after the 4th dot. i usually count them on a reel with no fadeout so i can use them if there is a reel with a fadeout.

carl

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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The trouble started in the 1960's with the creation of SMPTE 55, the Universal Leader standard, which changed the placement of the cue marks to correlate with the sweep-second leader.

SMPTE 301 is based on the original Academy Leader standard (ASA ZZ22.55). SMPTE 301 specifies cue mark placement to correlate with a film-foot countdown, not a countdown in seconds.

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