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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Kurt Zupin Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 989 From: Maricopa, Arizona Registered: Oct 2004 posted 03-20-2005 07:31 PM                     [ 04-06-2005, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: Kurt Zupin ]  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 03-21-2005 01:10 AM                     I caught a small amount of ribbing tonight from another contract projectionist breaking down one of the prints I had built for the San Diego Latino Film Festival. Seems she had a little trouble finding the splices I had made with Zebra tape with the clear section aligned over the frame. I have absolutely no problem with the yellow edge-marks alone (and with no Dolby Digital capability at the theatre, obscuring the digital track is of no consequence), but she was expecting that dashed line. If I had built the print with clear tape, my head probably would have been on a platter. Sometimes trying to do your best is too good for others.  |  IP: Logged Charlie Frisby Film Handler Posts: 58 From: Guymon, Ok USA, org. from DFW Registered: Dec 2004 posted 03-23-2005 07:40 PM                     quote: Brad: Agreed, the DM should have enough things on his slate to be dealing with anyway. Why not use the "reel marker" idea in the tips section under Building 101 coupled with clear tape? That's a great compromise. Hallelujah This was a recent argument with a fellow projectionist. He hates Zebra tape and he has a reason to, the picture quality is better with clear, however I spent 45 min looking for one splice in Alone in the dark, due to dark as hell ID frames. If he simply used the yellow edge tape as suggested (which we have plenty of), using Zebra tape would not be a mandatory build up procedure now. But at least I can find my splice now and not f**K up a reel for the next projectionist who builds it up. FRiSBY  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 03-23-2005 09:34 PM                     I never suggested using edge marking tape. I hate that crap. Check the Building 101 tips page and you will see what I am speaking of.  |  IP: Logged Tracy Bellar Film Handler Posts: 72 From: Sciotoville, Oh. Registered: Mar 2005 posted 03-23-2005 10:42 PM                        I'm new to this forum. I began running projectors when I was twelve. My Dad a Theater Manager threw me into the booth and I was taught the right way to do the job! A lot of responsability I think I handled it well. I grew to expect things to be done right and accepted nothing less. I left the job for a while to work construction. Recently I returned to work the booth to help my Dad out. He had trouble with the guys running equipment poorly. I returned to the theater I grew up in to see it a shambles! They had a pile of reels four feet high in the corner of the booth. I couldn't figure it out until I saw a guy tearing down a film going so fast the motor on the build table was smelling of burnt rubber. The guy ignored all splices and cut the film where he felt was enough to fill a reel. He threw away all heads and tails. I couldn't believe what I saw. Naturally he always had an extra reel or two to throw into his pile of reels. Later I noticed that all the platters were warped and all center rings were egg shaped. Strong Platters A3's and A5's (Pre 84). The films slide and moved so bad it was causing severe breaks and damaging films and rollers on the platters. Because the guy was building so fast he caused platter damage. Bent and loose platter shafts, Worn out and loose bearings. Modules(Film feeds) that needed to be taken off line and rebuilt. Rollers that were cut and bent from severe film breaks. build tables with missing rollers. instead of correcting the problems he decided to kick the automation controller boxes then causing automation problems which eventually caused more film breaks. The whole time this guy was going around with business cards in his pocket introducing himself as a projectionist. He was a demolishonist. I apologise to anyone that recieved a print from Wheelersburg, Ohio in the past. I am really trying to change the way things are done and get responsible people working with film again at this theater. I worked with a tech to get the equipment running properly again and Have tried to teach a few guys why they should build and tear down properly. I hope every print leaving our theater is in great shape from now on. The guy that caused the problems was unfortunatley promoted to Asst. Manager he really had the owner snowed. But he is out of the booth for the most part and his poor practices have been stopped.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-24-2005 04:05 AM                     Hi Tracy. Welcome to the world of F-T and the forum. You'll learn a great deal within this crazy world of film presentations and "film handling" within this "House that Brad Built." Ask any questions and we'd be sure glad to help you out. Sorry, you had to come back to shambles with your father's theatre. Yet, I'm sure that you've straightened matters out at his place. Yet, the fellow who "claims" to be a "projectionist" should never be allowed in a booth again-the way hey handled the film and equipment. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Jon Morgan Film Handler Posts: 60 From: Raleigh, NC Registered: Mar 2005 posted 03-24-2005 12:21 PM                     My theater handles a lot of prints coming from India, which is sheer hell if any of you know what I'm talking about. We've gotten prints with no heads or tails, no labels, no cores, splices whenever the reel is full, and god knows what other abominations.  |  IP: Logged Dean Kollet Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 591 From: Florida State University Registered: Jul 2003 posted 03-24-2005 12:48 PM                     I had the same experiences with Indian prints; they would come without cores, reels, tails, or heads. And usually the reals were only about 900-1000 feet of film. So their 9 Reel movies ended up being a pain-in-the-ass 18 reels of building up. I remeber them coming in these really weird boxes too. Like it was a regular brown box wrapped in fabric and glue and all this weirdness.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 03-24-2005 12:56 PM                        What film stock is used for prints made in India? Kodak does sell lots of print film in India, but so do other manufacturers.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-24-2005 01:44 PM                     We run a lot of hindi film and after one gets used to it they are relativly trouble free Often the film stock is from the soviet union on the low budget flicks the A pictures are usually kodak stock and most are very sharp as they print most of the release prints right off the O neg  |  IP: Logged Wolff King Morrow Master Film Handler Posts: 490 From: Denton, TX, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 03-24-2005 10:20 PM                        Whoever played a sneak of print 8007 of "Guess Who", thanks a lot for putting DTS discs of "Hostage" in the can. Not only did we have to re-schedule our Dolby Digital auditoriums, but whoever gets your print of Hostage will find they have no usable discs either. Real smooth, fellas...  |  IP: Logged Dean Kollet Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 591 From: Florida State University Registered: Jul 2003 posted 03-24-2005 11:13 PM                     we got most of the 'A' releases, and on the few that I checked, they were Kodak. I do remember one print (and I didn't check which kind of stock) but it was very soft. If you ran your hand across it, it felt like fabric rather than film.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 03-25-2005 11:54 AM                     To the operators at the Cleveland Film Festival who ran the print "Five Times Two". Don't giveup your day job, you SUCK. Here is what was wrong with this print. Using cheap masking tape to tape the reel ends Not reslicing the heads or tails to print Using a sharpie to mark frame lines into picture area China marking heads & tails, as if its never going to come off Using YELLOW tape for build up China marking 5' each side of the splice The only thing they got right was putting the right leaders on the right reel. And to TES for circuiting this print to me. The print was new when it left here, before going to Chicago for a screening.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-25-2005 01:51 PM                     quote: Bill Gabel To the operators at the Cleveland Film Festival ...sounds like amateurs doing a one time operation. - Monte  |  IP: Logged Daniel Alt Expert Film Handler Posts: 111 From: Lakewood, OH, USA Registered: Mar 2004 posted 03-27-2005 10:45 AM                     quote: Bill Gabel To the operators at the Cleveland Film Festival... Funny you should mention that... there's a thread about this somewhere else, but the short version is that management locked out the union projectionists from the festival this year. Coincidence?  |  IP: Logged

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