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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-26-2005 03:56 AM                     ..back to whining... A question for all: I mainly work in a discount 6plex. My big wonder, and I really need help on this one is: Since I receive used prints, WHY do some theatres/operators CUT the tail leader off of the last reel, and even in the middle of the rating tag? I get so "peeved" at this for this DUMB practice, since I have to splice back on that tail leader, since it's also been only masking taped back together....! I can tolerate inboard soundtrack winds from operators who don't know how to rewind film on a CHR MUT, I do get bent some with lazy people who can't break down prints where the splice is to be broken at, not just anywhere in the filmroll, I get the patience test when prints come in and we think that the last reel, or the first reel is missing due to the previous above and leaders attached with non matching "reference" frames... ..but why cut off the tail leader of the last reel. I can see this if the print came from a double wound feature for one platter deck.... ..just a bit "peeved..." -Monte  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-26-2005 04:13 AM                     Your answer........cheap theater owners! Yes, cheap owners who won't pay to have decent automation (or pay to have it fixed) such that the douser will close and the sound will switch at the end of the movie. Basically these theaters that do this don't want the noise (visually and audibly) to go into the auditorium, so they just chop the end clean off. Makes for a really shitty ending to the credit roll too, doesn't it?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-26-2005 12:23 PM                        It's also possible that the print was played in a "stack" situation, i.e. two prints sharing one screen, and the two prints are both on the same platter... so you'd have to cut the tail off of print #1. We're in this exact situation right now. (Although I did not cut the rating tag off!) EDIT: Oops, should have read Monte's whole post before I made this one. My bad.  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-26-2005 02:49 PM                    I have done the stacked print situation before but I never had to cut the tail off the first print. Usually I would just wind the leader around the first print so when the first print plays it tails out and you just thread the second print and wind the leader around the first print again. Never encountered any problems doing this.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-26-2005 04:09 PM                        Yeah but isn't the whole idea of putting 2 films on one platter to avoid having to thread a 2nd time? Otherwise why not just put them on 2 different platters?  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-26-2005 04:23 PM                    Because I couldn't....I had three prints showing in the same auditorium.  |  IP: Logged Don Cross Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Charleston, WV, USA Registered: Jan 2005 posted 02-26-2005 04:42 PM                     To help ensure that the ending credits of the film stay intact; should it be proper procedure to include a bit of clear leader at the end of the film? This clear film hopefully wouldn't give the presentation of the bright white screen,, hoping that the que has caught for the lights.  |  IP: Logged Adam Wilbert Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 590 From: Bellingham, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002 posted 02-26-2005 04:52 PM                        i worked at a joint where I started cutting the tail off because of exactly what Brad described. Given the option of cutting the tail off (and yes, resplicing it back on) or having the movie tail out on screen, I chose the former.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-26-2005 10:39 PM                     For those theaters who HAVE to cut the tail of the last reel off for the reasons explained above, PLEASE show some respect and splice on a nice stretch of black leader. At least you will be protecting the end of the film.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-27-2005 03:17 AM                     quote: Darryl Spicer I had three prints showing in the same auditorium. ..been there and done that many-a-times: wind one feature behind another without attaching the two together when having three prints for one house. But unfort, when show scheduling messes this little practice up, I have to have the 3 prints on their own rings. - one print is on the floor on the 'pizza scoop' board, or leaning up against the wall, also on the board. Another thing if theatres are having such a hard time with cueing, why can't they get the manuals out, or talk to their tekkies and figure out HOW to work the system out to where cues can be place in accordance to the automation requirements of: (1)-trailers, (2)-show, (3)-credit, and (4)-end of show cue requirements. Look up in the manual section of FT for what your automation is and what the cue arrangement is for that certain automation. It isn't that hard to figure out. I know that some theatres have "cold endings" - one cue at the end just to drop the dowser and bring up the lights. Also, if cues don't seem to work during a good run, replace the cues with new cuetape, for cuetape DOES wear out, especially the 5 inch wraparound edge cues for the grounding roller type. One has to replace this form of cue at least once a week. Quit being so FRIKKEN lazy in adding cues to the buildups! ...and leave the damned end leaders on! I know that you have to cut off the leaders when doing a buildup, but the last reel tail leader CAN STAY ON! Some have been so "horsewhipped" in a practice that leaders HAVE to come off, no matter what...but really.....THINK! (Rant-Rant..lol) quote: Brad Miller Makes for a really shitty ending to the credit roll too, doesn't it? Yes Brad, it does. I sometimes have to advance my final cue up to where the dowser drops just before the rating tag-to get away from the "gloop and glop" during the rating tag presentation at times. Just have to "slap" these people that do this DUMB habit! -thx Monte  |  IP: Logged Daniel Seal Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Birmingham, England , uk Registered: Feb 2005 posted 02-27-2005 04:22 PM                     ANY ONE EVER MADE UP A BOLLYWOOD FILM ? ALL THE PROBLEMS ABOVE ARE NOTHING COMPARED !  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-27-2005 04:58 PM                    quote: Monte L Fullmer But unfort, when show scheduling messes this little practice up, I have to have the 3 prints on their own rings. - one print is on the floor on the 'pizza scoop' board, or leaning up against the wall, also on the board. I've had to do that too.  |  IP: Logged Jim Ziegler Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 753 From: West Hollywood, CA Registered: Jul 99 posted 02-27-2005 05:42 PM                     The last Bollywood film I built up was in 12 litte cans with no heads, tails or cores. The cans were then shoved into a cardboard box covered with burlap..  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-27-2005 10:47 PM                     Jim said "The last Bollywood film I built up was in 12 litte cans with no heads, tails or cores. The cans were then shoved into a cardboard box covered with burlap.. " well that is a well recieved print and probably has seen more showings than most english prints have so if you can't ahndle the heat you better get out of the kitchen  |  IP: Logged Jim Ziegler Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 753 From: West Hollywood, CA Registered: Jul 99 posted 02-27-2005 11:38 PM                     I could handle it, it was just a pain. I had a guy in here the other day asking about running Bollywood shows and and told him there would be buildup charges if it came on anything but 2ks or 6ks and didn't have leaders...  |  IP: Logged

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