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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) John Walsh Film God Posts: 2490 From: Connecticut, USA, Earth, Milky Way Registered: Oct 1999 posted 02-18-2005 07:40 AM                     Not meaning to be hard on anyone, but if you can't do the job reasonably well, then don't do it. If your operator damages film, others suffer for it forever afterwards. Today, almost everyone has access to the internet to find information on, for example, proper film handling; "I didn't know..." .. "I can't afford it..." doesn't really cut it. This is like borrowing your friend's car, finding out there's no oil in it, driving it anyway, then giving it back without saying anything. Or, going to the doctor who, after taking your money, tells you he really is not sure of what he's doing, and doesn't have equipment in good condition. (To me anyway) the important thing to remember is; 35mm prints CAN'T be replaced. Yes, theoretically, a new print could be 'striked' from a negative, but in reality it's much too expensive. So, it's not going to happen. My rant is over .. But, I will add that if the management there takes an active interest in improving things, that would be great.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-18-2005 08:55 AM                     If I criticize somebody and that person shows interest in improving the situation I believe it's my duty to offer assistance. It's just the way I'm wired, I guess. Now, if that person doesn't put forth a genuine effort to improve, even after they have been given help, that's another story. We haven't gotten that far in this case. I believe that they have every intention of making good. I am interested to see what happens. As I said above, if I could get to Columbia, I'd like to go there myself. Unfortunately, 660 miles is too far to travel in a reasonable amount of time. The next time I am in the state I will try to remember to stop in and say, "Howdy!" It's probably going to be a while before that happens, though. I think it'd be nice if Jason and/or Will could make a courtessey call on the place the next time they are in the area.  |  IP: Logged Matthew Bailey Master Film Handler Posts: 461 From: Port Arthur,TX Registered: Sep 2000 posted 02-18-2005 07:43 PM                     Here's what I say to bad film handlers-I'm not your fandom.  |  IP: Logged Mike Spaeth Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1129 From: Marietta, GA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-18-2005 09:28 PM                        To whomever handled my print of Woman, Thou Art Loosed - YOU SUCK. Why on earth did you cut off the Magnolia logo on the front, then splice it back on in the proper spot SOUNDTRACK REVERSED?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-19-2005 04:15 AM                     ...this is a bit funny... I had to goto a small indie's theatre that I service for a sort of emergency call and found this: This is what happens when a Simplex35 trap band decides to take a split. The band didn't break, but with a sharp edge where the band cracked, manages to slice the edge off of two reels. The other band was just about gone as well-edges sharp as razor blades. What's funny is that the print still ran fine for the next two shows before I got there. Luckilly for wide-tooth sprockets to keep this 'shaved print' from wandering through the trap in as much of what film have been shaved off. Luckilly, this theatre had extra bands there for replacment. "Wow - Now I've got some Easter Egg basket grass!" (LOL) -Monte  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-20-2005 04:21 AM                        Monty, that is AWESOME. So what did that print wind up being....32mm? And did the theatre send the print back as if nothing happened, given the fact that it still played fine after the shave?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-20-2005 08:24 AM                     Monte, What theatre was that? They should be damed in this thread for not maintaining their equipement better than that. Gate bands, which cost less than 10 bucks, should be replaced at least every year or sooner if needed..... There is no excuse for that and really its not very funny! Did that happen over in Caldwell or in a down town location? Mark  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-21-2005 01:12 AM                     quote: Monte, that is AWESOME. So what did that print wind up being....32mm? And did the theatre send the print back as if nothing happened, given the fact that it still played fine after the shave? I showed this to the manager afterwards. Don't know if they ordered another print or not. Yea, since they wound this soundtrack up and the "shave" was opposite side, I "flipped" the pancake over to see the damage. And sure enough, the first two reels are about 2mm indented from the rest of the filmroll than the other 2 reels. ..but still funny to see when I found this lying on the floor behing the console. I've seen shaved prints, but really.....! -Monte  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-21-2005 09:51 AM                        Seriously Mark, the bands should be changed every year? Do you see signs of wear first, I mean is there some tell-tale signs that says they should be replaced? A year for say the museum would be equal to like ten years in a commercial house. Perhaps the better way would be in reference to bulb life, say they should be replaced after every bulb change....after every two? While I am at it, what about oil changes. I hear wildly varying suggestions....some saying every month, some every year....a guy who is a tech says once broken in, oil can last for years. Any rule-of-thumb we can go by? I notice that oil gets to look "old" yellower than fresh. Not very scientific, I admit.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 02-21-2005 10:03 AM                     Sounds like the infamous 34mm print of 'Around the World in 80 Days'  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-21-2005 11:37 AM                     quote: Frank Angel While I am at it, what about oil changes The Simplex manuals recommend 500hrs being the oil is a non-detergent oil, but it usually depends on how the oil looks. It's usually a "gimmie" thing - some will do every half year, some will do once a year. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-21-2005 01:10 PM                     This may end up needing to go into it's own new thread if many more replies keep drawing the "you suck" topics off-topic. Mark, it has been my experience that gate bands need to be changed due to operator abuse. Christie's bands are the biggest offender of this...but they need not be. For example, it seems most Christie theaters go through bands with every bulb change or sooner. Why? It's because the kids running them use flat bladed screwdrivers and X-acto blades to try and scrape the emulsion deposits off of them! It is during that kind of cleaning that the damage occurs. I've spent about 5 years working with Christie projectors and the one thing that I proved when I was there was that if you stop the film from shedding in the first place, the bands will last indefinitely because there is no abuse being put on them. In fact, I find that seasoned bands outperform new ones in terms of film abrasion and image steadiness.  |  IP: Logged Andrew Duggan Expert Film Handler Posts: 127 From: Albany, NY, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 02-22-2005 06:53 AM                        Seasoned bands really can outperform new ones. I liken them to new guitar strings. Once you play them a few times & let them settle, they're perfect; then you let your friend play it with greasy hands after eating a bag of potato chips and- ruined! the last place I worked, once I was able to make sure that all the equipment was being maintained properly (read as: once I was the only person who ever touched the projectors), I was able to run the same gate bands right up until the theater closed, with never a problem to report. anyhow, back to the "you suck-ing". I havent been here in almost a year, I'm glad to see that this topic is nearly 70 pages!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-22-2005 01:31 PM                     I love what Frank Angel posted in the 70mm site about "Not watching 2001: a space odyssey" in 70mm ..about the kid who couldn't tread right-starting "2001" out of frame and leaving it that way. Dirty print, scratches, et.al. What demise this turned out to be... Kid shouldn't even been hired, as retarded as he was... ..another listing for the "you suck" column. ..but great story though. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 02-22-2005 03:15 PM                     Aspen Comedy Festival, Isis Theatre, you suck! I just recieved a print of the Paramount film, Cheech and Chong's "Up in Smoke". It was lab new when you got it, I was the second person to ever handle the print. The print arrived on plastic split reels with EVIL SHITTY 3" CORES jammed in them. Maybe you stole the 4" cores , maybe not. I had to spend a great deal of time carfully winding onto my house reels, as there was NO TENSION on the feed reel due to the damn 3" cores spinning freely. You are inept at your core handling skills! The film has horizontal cinch marks throughout because you guys have no clue how to handle a 2000" core of film. You guys fucked up a brand new print; the leaders indicated it was printed off the o-neg. nice Maybe film festivals should only be sent RED EASTMAN beat to hell prints, as many of these events are notorious for messing up films.  |  IP: Logged

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