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Thomas King
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 119
From: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 01-30-2005 07:48 PM

Thanks Monte; that's really handy.

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John Hawkinson
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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
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posted 01-30-2005 08:05 PM

Thomas:

If you breath against the film, the side that shows the fog is the base side. This is the easiest way.

Please don't use the "wet finger," method. It's not a good habit. At its worst it makes the film sticky for no benefit and might cause you to ingest nasty chemicals depending on where you finger has been. And it should go without saying that scratching the film to tell which side is emulsion is simply Not Acceptable.

The standard for shipping is emulsion-in when you're tail-out (which puts the soundtrack on the operator's side if you hold the reel in front of you with the film coming off the bottom and going to the right), or emulsion-out when you're head-out (which again, puts the soundtrack on the operator's side if you hold the reel in front of you with the film coming off the bottom and going to the right).

But anyone should be able to deal with any orientation on arrival. Most platter operators seem to like receiving reels head-out, and all changeover operators like receiving them tail-out. Most changeover operators run from emulsion-out head-out, though RP39 encourages head-out emulsion-in, but it's unclear if it matters for polyester, and a lot of people have S wind embedded deep in their brain (plus reel bells, etc.)

--jhawk

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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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posted 01-30-2005 08:10 PM

quote: John Hawkinson
but it's unclear if it matters for polyester, and a lot of people have "S" wind embedded deep in their brain (plus reel bells, etc.)

..is your bell alarm, the spindle reel end, 3-ring ball alarm, or just a simple roller drop ding?

Yep, shipping reel in the lower magazine on the last night's showing.

Course, I meant to check on the leaders of the film with the wet and scratching thing-never in the picture area itself.

-Monte

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Darryl Spicer
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From: Lexington, KY, USA
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posted 01-31-2005 10:31 AM

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Going back to emulsion wind in topic, we notice that all trailers received from either Technicolor, DeLuxe, and other labs, that the wind on the core is emulsion in, heads or tails out.

Not in all cases. I have encountered the opposite.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 01-31-2005 03:05 PM

I wish more trailers came on 3-inch diameter cores [thumbsup]

, instead of 1-inch spindles or no core at all. [thumbsdown]

Those tiny winding diameters really cause very bad "core set" and focus instability. [Frown]

Dirt-proof packaging (plastic bag or shrink wrap?) would also be a good idea for "loose" trailers.

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Carl Martin
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From: Oakland, CA, USA
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posted 02-01-2005 05:27 AM

2 excellent suggestions, john! trailers used to come on 2" cores. that's not as good as 3" but miles better than those 1" atrocities (frank would call them abortions, i'm sure) that half the time won't even stay circular. a real, honest-to-gad 2-3" core is a small fraction of the cost of a trailer and makes a world of difference. heck, don't labs regularly throw or give them away? use the damn things!

carl

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John Hawkinson
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posted 02-01-2005 10:10 AM

I must say, I haven't ever noticed clockspringing or focus instability on a new polyester trailer wound on a 1" sleeve. Am I just oblivious? Does it require special circumstances?

Yes, I've seen it on old acetate trailers stored that way for quite a while. But that seems a horse of a different color.

--jhawk

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Thomas King
Expert Film Handler

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From: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 02-01-2005 03:58 PM

We get trailers that have been sitting in non-approved storage on small cores for (in some cases) years, and they seem to be fine.

On a side note, what the hell should I do with my old trailers? MPD (the company we get them from) basically said "We don't care" when asked if they wanted them back. We have to pay to send them back, and it's free to throw them away, but it seems such a waste..

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Dustin Mitchell
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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 02-01-2005 04:21 PM

Not sure if its the same on the other side of the pond or not but AFAIK here only Paramount and Fox actually want their trailers back. They're good enough to send pre-paid UPS labels so it costs the theatre nothing to return them. When I first started working in theatres Warner Brothers, Disney, and Sony would do the same, but they stopped several years ago.

I still send back Fox and Paramount trailers but I've called Technicolor/NCS about the others and they said we can just throw them away, so thats what I do. Well, I do save a few for nostalga value but that's it.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 02-02-2005 11:33 AM

quote: John Hawkinson
I must say, I haven't ever noticed clockspringing or focus instability on a new polyester trailer wound on a 1" sleeve. Am I just oblivious? Does it require special circumstances?

Maybe the film was not wound on the tiny sleeves long enough. "Core-set" usually takes a few days to develop, and a few weeks and heat to become "ingrained".

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Thomas Procyk
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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 02-02-2005 01:42 PM

IT'S THE ONE THOUSANDTH POST IN THE YOU SUCK THREAD!! [Eek!]

Now you all know what to do whenever any thread reaches a thousand posts, right Boys and Girls??? SCREAM REAL LOUD!!

AAAARRGGHHH! [Big Grin]

=TMP=
"A nuttier establishment you've never seen."

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Thomas Procyk
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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
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posted 02-02-2005 01:43 PM

Duplicate post made the previous one look re-dick-you-less.

=TMP=

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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
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posted 02-02-2005 07:08 PM

quote: Thomas King
what the hell should I do with my old trailers

...wind then all on a core, place this core in the empty slot of the ETS can, and let ETS take care of this for recycle purposes. Or if wound on separate cores, place them back in the cans as well for both ETS and TECH to take care of them for you in the recycle department, since polyester is a recycleable material.

or...donate your used trailers to second run houses to play with.

-Monte

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Thomas King
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From: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Registered: Oct 2004

posted 02-02-2005 09:12 PM

Monte: I *am* a second run house! Half of my trailers are donations! [Smile]

I've turned as many of them into training and test reels as I can, but they just pile up. I didn't know film was recyclable, though. I'll see if I can find anyone who'll take it.

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Brent Neal Jones
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From: Ennis, T.X., USA
Registered: Nov 2001

posted 02-03-2005 02:27 AM

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Now you all know what to do whenever any thread reaches a thousand posts, right Boys and Girls??? SCREAM REAL LOUD!!

AAAARRGGHHH!

=TMP=

All that comes to mind is Pee-wee's playhouse....
AAAAAaaarRRrrrrGGGGHhhHHh! [Big Grin]

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