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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 02-03-2005 11:37 AM                     Though this isn't really on topic... We have AW3's and I prefer tail out. Simply because I build onto 6000's while I inspect each reel. I remove cement splices midframe and find it much easier to work with dark scenes where I am free to turn up a light as bright as I need it.  |  IP: Logged Thomas King Expert Film Handler Posts: 119 From: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Registered: Oct 2004 posted 02-03-2005 03:45 PM                        To whoever handled the copy of Super Size Me I showed yesterday: you suck! Due to your total inability to wind a reel tightly, there were several instances where a gap had worked its way into a reel and then been compressed, causing horrible and irreprable corrugation. I took out the major stuff (about a foot in total) and repaired the minor stuff: big mistake! Caused the sound (SR only) to warble like anything. Took it out during breakdown. Grr. It was in perfect condition otherwise. What I don't get is: how is it even possible to wind a reel that loosely? I can see how a sloppy operator would have problems getting the reel smooth, but I can't see how you'd go about getting a reel that loose even if you tried! Edit: oh, they were tail out too. But that's not a case of bad film handling. That's just annoying  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-04-2005 02:23 AM                     WAHHHH! (okey, my turn to whine..lol) I received a print today of "What the Bleep..." movie. One reel was wound tails out and was just cut anywhere to fill the reel for breakdown, whereas I found the splice 100 feet into the next reel. Plus, the print was DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY! Got a clean rag, dampened the rag with FG, and slowly hand cleaned that print over the Kelmar bench, and that was with each reel (and of course, I used gloves, being the rag was a bit soaked with FG..). When I got finished wiping that print down, looked pretty clean for sure (we don't have Kelmar media cleaners..) -Monte  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 02-05-2005 12:09 AM                        Just back from the Sarasota Film Festival and although I did not work it, I had to endure it. All the films I saw were held in Regal's Hollywood 20, Main Street Sarasota FL. Evidently the festival people relied Regal for their projection "expertise." Evidently, someone at the Festival made a big mistake doing that. Rather than comment on individual problems with individual tiles, I think it is fare to out the operation in general. Let me put it this way....instead of the festival volunteer saying to each and every person as they tore tickets, "Enjoy the show," it would have been more accurate for them to say, "Enjoy the DIRT." On almost every print there was dirt....LOTS of it. Did prints come that way? Possibly; I have no way of telling (although the age of these titles are mostly only a year or two old), but whether a print comes with dirt is beside the point. To allow the horrific black rain at reel joins to remain on the print in my mind is worthy of a big YOU SUCK shout out to what purports to be a prestigious film festival. With all the known methods of film cleaning, to just sit back and say, "Hey, that's the way the print came in." seems less than professional. Other things that happened were not nearly so distracting (seeing a turret change with the image zooming across the proscenium, masking going back and forth two times trying to find the right stop, sound distortion problems, etc.). These were momentary distractions but paled in comparison when compared to the down right filth that plagued most of the prints. Two prints actually had red grease pencil diagonals slashed across the entire frames even though regular lab cues were plainly visible and in the same frames. How much time does it take to wet a cloth with film cleaner and wipe grease pencil marks off four frames? It's just sloppy; and for Regal to claim to be the major sponsor and be announced as such at every screening and be listed in all the literature tells me that they weren't just an uninvolved landlord renting out their cinemas on the cheap. This should have been as major event for them and if this is the best they could come up with, I pity the fool that goes to that venue to see "regular" movies. Regal....you should be ashamed for being responsible for those dirty presentations.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 02-05-2005 01:58 AM                     Well, given Regal's commitment to excellent presentation, I'm sure that those responsible for the botching of that film festival will be terminated immediately.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-05-2005 03:36 AM                     [QUOTE=Frank Angel] Regal....you should be ashamed for being responsible for those dirty presentations [/QUOTE improvements are always needed anywhere. - Monte [ 02-12-2005, 02:35 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Darryl Spicer Film God Posts: 3250 From: Lexington, KY, USA Registered: Dec 2000 posted 02-05-2005 02:00 PM                    quote: Monte L Fullmer If one wants to have a good laugh, do a "Google" search on "Regalsucks" and you can find some pretty good stories about the world of Regal. Apparnently the below domain name is for sale. That is the only thing that popped up after doing a search Regal sucks  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-05-2005 05:08 PM                     To all - I request that this topic be closed and forgotten. For all theatre operations, big and small will always have their way of operating procedures, whether or not we agree or disagree with their operations. There is nothing that we can do about this. All we can do is to do what we know is best and continue down that avenue. And in conclusion, I'm bad, and I fully apologize to REG for my 'unprofessional' comments, which was duely not called for. And I apologize to the forum for such comments made, which is also not called for. -- Just got a little confused on priorities here. -thx - Monte [ 02-12-2005, 02:33 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-17-2005 12:22 AM                     To John Matthews or Anne Raman, manager at the Nickelodeon Theatre in Columbia, SC. or your minions, therein: I got the print of "The Corporation" you sent me. (Direct via Fed-Ex.) YOU SUCK!! What kind of IDIOT breaks a movie down and puts the tails back on the reels with the ID frames on the OUTSIDE of the reel?! Yes, the leaders were put on backwards! (Tails out.) I often overlook the accordion-spliced reel ends and the wads of zebra tape crusted on the ends of the reels where idiot after idiot chopped off another frame instead of peeling the tape off. I often overlook the use of masking tape to "splice" the film back together. I often overlook the platter scratches and the marks from where your holdback loop smacked against the rear of the projector chassis. Yes, all of these things were present. I see them so often that I just don't pay attention to them anymore but YOUR retarded little stunt made me sit up and take notice so YOU get credit for ALL of it! This was done religiously on EVERY reel! I just can't imagine how somebody could be so STOOPPITT! There must be something in the water! [ 02-17-2005, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: Randy Stankey ]  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-17-2005 12:40 AM                     quote: What kind of IDIOT breaks a movie down and puts the tails back on the reels with the ID frames on the OUTSIDE of the reel?! ...a typical case of two things: 1- not caring-just wanting to get the f**k out of there, or 2-don't know what/how to do when breaking down prints. a distant 3rd possibity is that this print was a courier pickup and had to get out of the theatre in a rabid hurry. Thus, slap the thing back on the reels and into the cans as fast as one can be. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-17-2005 05:38 AM                        Randy--see my post on page 29 of this thread. Is this the first theatre ever to be mentioned _twice_ in the you suck thread?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-17-2005 12:55 PM                     I'm editing my own post, here, because I called Zeitgeist, the distributor, and told them of the problem. The woman at Zeitgeist actually called the theater about it. Appearently there is a new manager at the Nickelodeon who is very concerned about the situation. We're on the phone as we speak. More later! [ 02-17-2005, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: Randy Stankey ]  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-17-2005 03:08 PM                     Well of course. If you were the manager that got "caught" and got a nasty call from the distributor, you would suddenly be concerned too.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-17-2005 10:02 PM                     I actually spoke with Anne on the phone this afternoon. She seemed genuinely concerned about what happened. She's not directly responsible for handling the films. I didn't expect she would be. She explained her situation to me. The Nickelodeon Theater is a small (70 seat) single screen art house. It's a non-profit organization. The only theater of its kind in the area. As you can imagine, their financial situation is tough. Anne has been the Director of the organization for several years and has taken over operation of the theater from the previous manager. Appearently, they don't have a lot of talent in the booth and the previous manager did most of the work himself. Anne is now in charge of the place and they just don't have a lot of people who can take care of the film and equipment the way it should be. The way she tells it, they just get whoever they can to cover the booth. Sometimes it's somebody good. Other times they end up with somebody who's not so good. She sounded pretty straightforward on the phone with me. I have no reason not to believe her. As we talked on the phone I directed her to Film-Tech and she was on the site with me as we talked. I gave her a quick pitch about FilmGuard and I explained about the forums and how she can get answers/help with problems. She actually sounded interested in Film-Tech and the forums. It'd be neat if she or one of the others at the theater joined up here! Not only would the Nickelodeon be the first theater to get two "You Suck!" awards in this thread but it would be the first to make improvements! I'm actually optimistic that it might happen! I have relatives who live in South Carolina and I visit them occasionally. As I spoke with Anne, I told her that I would try to remember the Nickelodeon. The next time I'm in the neighborhood I'll try to stop in. If there is anybody from the Columbia, SC area who knows somebody with talent in the booth that would like some work have them stop by the Nickelodeon. It sounds like they could use the help! If I wasn't over 600 miles away from there I'd go there myself.  |  IP: Logged Jason Black Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1723 From: Myrtle Beach, SC, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 02-17-2005 10:57 PM                        Randy, Maybe Will Leland or myself can stop by the place the next time either of us are in Columbia. The both of us are approx. 2 hours away.  |  IP: Logged

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