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Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers)
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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 01-27-2005 01:15 AM
quote: Richard Greco
wound it wrong?
If the film is wound with soundtrack inboard, base out and being heads up, this reel, or print, was broken down on a Christie MUT, for the reel direction of those MUTS winds anti-clockwise for rewind.
What the operator, using these Christie MUTs, needs to do when breaking down a print, is to have the soundtrack inboard, facing the roller pole to counter this reverse winding, so the film can look to be wound soundtrack outboard and base inward on a normal heads up wind.
The Christie MUT has the reel spindle on the left side of the unit, not as on top of the deck as with the STRONG and the SPECO (Drive-in) LP-271's.
The other MUTS winds in the normal, or clockwise with soundtrack up (as with the STRONG, or the LP-271' MUTS like you have), thus it looks like the prints are being wound correctly - like ready to be placed in the upper magazine of a reel machine.
I agree with Brad also, TEC doesn't care how the wind is on the reel, as long as the leaders are attached and in order, so they don't belong in the "you suck" department.
Hope this clears this up some, for I've ran into these reverse Christie winds before on print arrivals from both ETS and TECH, in as well working with the Christie MUTS.
good luck-Monte
[ 01-27-2005, 04:05 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]
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Darryl Spicer
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posted 01-27-2005 11:24 AM
quote: Monte L Fullmer
If the film is wound with soundtrack inboard, base out and being heads up, this reel, or print, was broken down on a Christie MUT, for the reel direction of those MUTS winds anti-clockwise for rewind.
What the operator, using these Christie MUTs, needs to do when breaking down a print, is to have the soundtrack inboard, facing the roller pole to counter this reverse winding, so the film can look to be wound soundtrack outboard and base inward on a normal heads up wind.
The Christie MUT has the reel spindle on the left side of the unit, not as on top of the deck as with the STRONG and the SPECO (Drive-in) LP-271's.
The other MUTS winds in the normal, or clockwise with soundtrack up (as with the STRONG, or the LP-271' MUTS like you have), thus it looks like the prints are being wound correctly - like ready to be placed in the upper magazine of a reel machine.
If you are pulling the film off the platter correctly, that is when you bring the film off to the first roller of the mutt. The soundtrack should always be away from you or close to the pole that holds the rollers. Doing this prevents the film from having a grating effect against the platter surface. On a christie mutt that spins counter clockwise, this puts the soundtrack in the correct wind on the reel with no twist. The soundtrack will be away from you on the finished reel.
On the newer Speco mutts the mutt spins in the clockwise direction requiring you to put a twist in the film to get it to wind with the soundtrack close to you on the finished reel.
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Hey, whomever wound my print of Alone In The Dark during the WONDERFUL inspection process at TES, YOU SUCK!!!
Mine came the same way. I used to use the old wooden tables and my advice to you if you are not doing it already is to never use the damn rollers on that piece of shit. I would just make the film up straight to the center platter adjusting the hieght of the table to allow the film to properly run on. I know with the drive-in opperation you have two prints so just move it to the top and put the next one on or if they are smaller titles not very long run both of them on back to back. Put some back tension on the reel to prevent it from winding to loose. This beats those croppy rollers if they are still on the damn thing. I would break down the same way too. Center platter only. Also never be paying out from the bottom while breaking down from the center. Unless you want a hell of a brain wrap.
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Monte L Fullmer
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From: Nampa, Idaho, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted 01-30-2005 07:38 PM
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Woot for competence!
Welcome to in receiving prints from theatres with personnel who either don't care, or just don't know what we know.
World ain't fair, so we have to deal with it as such.
quote: Thomas King
How do I tell which side is the emulsion and which side is the base?
There are many ways to find out which side is what on the film:
1- with the film in the machine and the soundtrack where it supposed to be, the emulsion is always away from the screen, or towards the lamphouse, for 35mm. For 16mm, the soundtrack is inboard away from the individual but still emulsion out.
2-Base side is more shiner than the emulsion, which has more of a dull sheen.
3-with a wet finger, the base will not stick to your finger, whereas the emulsion loaded with the gels will be prone to stick to the wet finger.
4-The emulsion will have the contour relief of the image on the print if seen at the reflection of the surface of the film. Base stays with the shine.
5-When scratching the film, the base will just "frost" up with white shavings, whereas the emulsion shavings will be of the dye colors.
..and et.al.
Going back to emulsion wind in topic, we notice that all trailers received from either Technicolor, DeLuxe, and other labs, that the wind on the core is emulsion in, heads or tails out.
thx-Monte
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