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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 03-19-2004 05:36 PM                    Screening room? Platter or big reels? Shame...  |  IP: Logged Joshua Lee Peercy Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Fort Valley,Georgia,United States Registered: Mar 2004 posted 03-22-2004 12:59 AM                        The film handler that broke down the print frida had to have put in his two week notice and didnt care. You cant just breakdown a print like that on accident.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 03-22-2004 09:23 AM                     Steve I forgot to type never in my last post. The Aidikoff Screening Room in Beverly Hills, CA would never have done that to a print. They are a change-over room.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 03-29-2004 01:13 PM                    AMC River East 21 (Chicago) "Connie and Carla" #8 (Universal) Screened there 3/25 Not so much an example of print mangling as it is an example of taking every possible shortcut to save a few seconds here and there. Print returned with leaders paper taped on (mostly flipped). First several feet of each reel edge inked with something that close examination occludes part of the SDDS track (so much for SDDS friendly AMC) Film not secured; no tape, no bands, nothing. Bands folded up in bottom of cases. Foil cues left on. (The fact that "everybody" does that doesn't make it right.) For many, this is "proper" print handling.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-29-2004 04:06 PM                        maybe they knew the print wasn't leaving the city and thus didn't bother properly securing the ends (not an excuse). when we got eurotrip, i was amazed to find absolutely nothing secured. reels bands were wrapped around the reels, but not secured with string. the film ends were not taped. the leaders were not taped to the film proper (but they were all reversed). the tail leaders were not taped on either. oh, and there was cue tape left on. i immediately deduced that the film came directly from the ua down the street, because, they are a shoddy operation if the print had traveled more than half a block it would have been spaghetti it said so on the cans but hey, it was only eurotrip . carl  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 03-29-2004 05:34 PM                    I just got another AMC River East print; something they screened this morning. Film is taped down but not reattaching leaders is apparently a house standard. In an odd turn of events I won't be playing their print but will get a new version which will be unmarried. Maybe that's preferrable to cleaning up others' messes.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-29-2004 06:21 PM                        I believe that the AMC corporate policy is to use silver paint markers to indicate reel-change splices. Or at least it was at the time they bought out GCC and sent out a lot of policy paperwork. Not that I ever actually did that when I worked for them (past tense). For people who just can't find those 5-6 splices when breaking down a print from a platter, zebra tape is a better option. As much as I hate the stuff personally, it's better than causing permanent damage to a print. I really should start removing cue tape. :embarrassed: It's the one "bad" thing that I do when sending prints out from automated houses. I feel badly about it, but am also concerned about being able to get the film properly wound on the reel when shipping it out. Nothing is worse than a loosely wound print where the edges of the film get damaged in shipment. [puts on asbestos suit, runs, and hides]  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-29-2004 06:55 PM                     I tell my students to take off the cues but they don't always do it. Most of the time, they do. Sometimes, even I forget. I use a small piece of Edgemark tape on the film right at the cue to remind the kids. Personally, I could do without the stuff but it makes good "training wheels". It's a lot better than zebra tape. Most splices and cues will cause a hair bit of jitter when they go through the projector anyway. Properly applied, a small (half-frame size) piece of Edgemark will produce about the same amount of jitter as the average splice or cue will will. I see no problem with using it. Besides, it doesn't permanently mar the film. If anybody doesn't like it they can peel it off and no harm is done. When building up, I make the kids use clear splicing tape and put some Edgemark at each splice. Then they are to put a double mark at each cue. Later on, when they, get good enough, I let them stop putting the marks at the splices but I still make them put the marks at the cues. This gives me two benefits: 1) People are less likely to forget to take the cues off the film. 2) When somebody asks, "How long until the show is over?", you can see the two small, yellow marks where the credits begin and estimate the time. It can also give the next person who gets the print a little help as well. When they build up, they can see the yellow marks and they'll know where the credits begin. They can stop the film and put the cues on the way they need to. If the person likes the Edgemark they can leave it on. If they person doesn't like the stuff they can remove it and there's no harm done. Like I said, I, personally, don't use it but when training raw recruits it comes in handy. When they start learning how to do things better I can put it back in the cupboard until the next batch of kids comes along.  |  IP: Logged Steve Kraus Film God Posts: 4094 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 03-29-2004 09:11 PM                    I peel it if I see it as I see no reason to let it remain and shift the picture sideways and have it go out of focus. The pieces I encounter are usually 4 or 5 frames long. Classic Cinemas Elk Grove out in the suburbs here does a lot of trade screenings and this is one of their little trademarks. (At least they replace their leaders. MUCH better than the old Elk Grove which did not and had a crooked splicer cutter to boot.) Unfortunately often a residue is left when the tape is peeled.  |  IP: Logged Chris Liczbinski Film Handler Posts: 33 From: US Registered: Oct 2003 posted 03-30-2004 12:25 AM                    Cues that are left on are a definite pain sometimes. Everytime we get a print that has been used, all of the cues are left on and recently we picked up a print of Miracle from a UA pretty much 2 blocks from us (Cinemark) and I found that they are now placing the cue on the film as normal and then using clear slicing tape over it. I tried to carefully peel it off but there wasn't too much hope. The cues must be removed because they shut off our lamphouse after a few seconds of the credits = customers very unhappy until the lamphouse got turned back on. The cues we use are alot smaller too, maybe .5' by .25' max and they work. I have gotten acustomed to peeling off old cues, and do remove the cues from our prints during breakdown if I have time but like last week we had 6 prints that had to be broken down by the next day and only myself and a trainee who was learning how to break down that night. It was one of those days when big corporations like to squeeze pennies forcing its workers to skip a few steps here and there to get things done in the timeframe we are given. EDIT: .5" by .25" -I think I was while typing!  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-30-2004 12:42 AM                        quote: The cues we use are alot smaller too, maybe .5' by .25' max and they work. If yours are smaller, at 18 square inches, I'd hate to see UAs!  |  IP: Logged Bryan J Arseneau Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Toronto, ONTARIO, CANADA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 03-30-2004 02:33 AM                     SHAME on all of you. It takes about 1 minute to take off all your cues, When I worked for Famous Players I would NEVER send back a feature with cues on it, I also made sure that head and tail were attached with 2 splices, I only worked a 10 plex (alone), and on make up night, be it 1 or 6 prints to be made up or broken down, I have NEVER has to stay past 2 AM. Some of you will say well I have to run the feature to make sure it is OK, Then you are not a good projectionist. In the years that I have been in this business, I have NEVER pre screened a print that I have made up. If I ever have to I will get out of this business  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 03-30-2004 02:38 AM                        I've got a reel here somewhere I'll have to let you inspect sometime Bryan. I'd love to see how you would determine by a bench inspection that it has the soundtrack for the wrong film on it.  |  IP: Logged Bryan J Arseneau Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Toronto, ONTARIO, CANADA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 03-30-2004 02:48 AM                     Deryl: All I'm saying is that there are ways to run a booth. Not trying to re invent the wheel  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-30-2004 04:35 AM                        Daryl-doesn't it have the title of the soundtrack negative written in the soundtrack area on the leader?  |  IP: Logged

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