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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Patrick Dunn Expert Film Handler Posts: 120 From: newark, DE, United states Registered: Aug 2005 posted 10-10-2005 07:56 PM                        Our general manager told me in the past that the reason we use the opeque is because it is cheaper than the clear (we are an independent theater with low prices). And we are capable of finding clear splices. i did recently when i was breaking down an old print of a movie that had a lot of splices where most of the previous theaters just filled up the reels so i had to find their splices instead of ours and most of them weren't marked.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Fuentes Mmmm, Dr. Pepper! Posts: 1168 From: Corpus Christi, TX United States Registered: Jan 2004 posted 10-10-2005 08:57 PM                     Then its clear that this is out of your control, and we cant blame you for that. Your GM on the other hand...  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 10-10-2005 09:43 PM                     If I was a projectionist for that theatre, I'd be tempted to bring my own clear tape (Neumade, of course). I could not make a splice with yellow tape in good conscience (although I'll sheepishly admit I do have a weakness for zebra tape*). Yellow splicing tape has no purpose in a projection booth except as a splicer alignment aid. *That is, a good brand of zebra tape. I recently had the misfortune of using US-made CPI tape, stuff so horrid the splices could not be peeled off without leaving adhesive residue on the film that took considerable effort with a FilmGuard-soaked rag to remove.  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-10-2005 11:15 PM                     Colored or Zebra tape isn't cheaper than clear tape. It's only priced cheaper PER ROLL. There is often less tape on each roll thus making the price per linear inch actually higher. The price of clear tape on a per-roll basis might be higher but you get more tape on each roll, thus bringing the $/in. cost down. Furthermore, if you use Zebra tape, you have to pull out a certain amount to get the marks to line up with the edges of the film. If you use clear tape you can pull out just enough tape to make a splice. Over time you will save money because you use less clear tape than Zebra. Aside from the fact that I just "graduated" from using Zebra tape, the cost per linear unit is the chief reason I don't buy Zebra.  |  IP: Logged Wolff King Morrow Master Film Handler Posts: 490 From: Denton, TX, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 10-10-2005 11:26 PM                        I recently switched to using Nuemade clear tape. Originally I used Jack Roe T-stripe with the clear part over the from such that the yellow part only covered the green edge of the film.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Dieter Expert Film Handler Posts: 234 From: Yakima, WA Registered: Jun 2004 posted 10-10-2005 11:53 PM                     quote: Patrick Dunn Our general manager told me in the past that the reason we use the opeque is because it is cheaper than the clear (we are an independent theater with low prices). Some one is feeding you a line of Bull . I have here a line up of the splicing tape and costs. For the most part, I see the clear being the cheapest. CPI Splicing Tape - Clear 1" (25mm) - (Package of 6 ) 9.38 CPI Splicing Tape - White 1" (25mm) - (Package of 6) 10.13 CPI Splicing Tape - Yellow 1" (25mm) - (Package of 6) 10.13 CPI Splicing Tape - Splicemark - 1" (25mm) (Magenta/RED) - (Package of 6) 13.88 CPI Splicing Tape - Splicemark - (19mm) (Magenta/RED) - (Package of 6) 11.25 CPI Splicing Tape - T-Stripe - 1" (25mm) - (Package of 6) 13.88 CPI Edgemark Tape 3/16" - (Package of 6) 7.13 Neumade Splicing Tape Clear - 35mm - (Package of 8) 19.90 Neumade Splicing Tape Yellow - 35mm - (Package of 8) 19.90 Neumade Splicing Tape Clear w/Yellow Stripes - (Package of 8) 31.50 Cinema Equipment Economy Splicing Tape - (Package of 8) 7.50 Cinema Equipment Splycemar Splicing Tape - Clear - (Package of 8) 18.00 Cinema Equipment Splycemar Splicing Tape - Yellow - (Package of 8) 18.00 Cinema Equipment Splycemar Splicing Tape - Zebra - (Package of 8) 28.50 With all this information, maybe you should hand this to your GM and ask for the truth as to why they don't buy clear tape if they are worried about spending so much.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 10-14-2005 08:28 PM                     I got a print of A History Of Violence from New Line Cinema today. We were told Wednesday that it could be late, and that we might have to cancel the first show. Print showed up at 12:15. It came to us from the WINTER PARK VILLAGE theatre in Winter Park, Florida. Print number 0080. When I opened the box, the first thing I saw was film allover the interior of the box. The ends of all reels were loose. The theater used masking tape at the reel ends and didn't splice anything back on after they finished with the print. They just used more masking tape. Since this film arrived so late, we couldn't preview it before the audience got at it. Reels 2 and 3 have sprocket hole damage from beginning to end on the non-soundtrack side of the film. It runs OK on our Christies, and is being FilmGuarded as I type this. It doesent want to wind smoothly on my AW-3's either. I've never damaged film this way, and this movie has only been out about TWO WEEKS! My GM called the bookers. In the meantime, I have to make-do with this crap. THANK YOU Winter Park Village Theater! The least you could have done is TOLD someone what you did.  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 10-14-2005 11:50 PM                        Call them up, get people -canned (if this is an ongoing thing with them). It's fun and you'll feel better afterwards.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 10-15-2005 07:16 AM                     I'm not out to get anybody fired. I just want them to WAKE UP and do it right! If you are a theatre, you should do it right. I was surprised when I opened the box and saw all the carnage. Turns out that reels 2,3,4, and part of 5 have the pulled sprockets. The FG helped with noise. On the plus side, at least they shipped the DTS discs with the print! I feel for 2nd run theatres and what they get. I broke down OLIVER TWIST yesterday, and it still looks like new. Single sided reel end splices. Print 0001. New tape holding the end of the reel down, too. White artists tape, too. My GM reads F-T almost daily.  |  IP: Logged Bill Gabel Film God Posts: 3873 From: Technicolor / Postworks NY, USA Registered: Jan 2002 posted 10-15-2005 11:37 AM                     I got a print of Domino about a month ago that had only one play on it from the Loews State Theatre in Times Square. The person plattered it, but used a silver ink marker to mark the frame lines. They left one ID frame, but marked eight frames going in on the head and eight frames on the tail of the reels. In doing this they marked some picture and the analog, SRD and SDDS tracks with that silver marker. I told the New Line rep about this and she reported to head of the print department. Which called me back within an hour for the damage report. He told me which theatre last showed the print. It was brand new. The best part is that theatre is closing near the end of the year.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Dieter Expert Film Handler Posts: 234 From: Yakima, WA Registered: Jun 2004 posted 10-15-2005 11:48 AM                     Just so that you know, I live within half hour drive of there. I could print this off and take it to their manager if you like. BTW it's a Regal, what do you expect.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 10-15-2005 01:21 PM                     We keep all of our prints spotless. It's our livelihood. I think of the next person that gets the print after I have it. Its common decency. Just because its a Regal, doesent mean ALL Regals are bad. Depends on the professionalism of the booth.  |  IP: Logged Thomas Dieter Expert Film Handler Posts: 234 From: Yakima, WA Registered: Jun 2004 posted 10-16-2005 04:23 AM                     I hate to say this Bruce, but from all the large Corporate theatres that I have attended, most of them don't care. I have to say that the little guy that owns a few theatres takes care of prints better than and Regal, AMC, Carmike, Etc. Just my experience.  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 10-16-2005 08:38 AM                     Thomas, It all comes down to the people running the booth. Being taught the proper way to handle film is not rocket science. At my theatre, the GM and myself are the only ones that build/break down films. When it comes time to train a new person, I will be sure to tell them the RIGHT way to do things. I may be in the minority, but I know how to handle film, and I plan to be handling film for a long time. Last night, a patron told our night manager that our digital picture sure looks better than that old system that we had before. Patron was in Emily Rose, the oldest print in the theatre. We have six DTS houses now, and one Dolby house.  |  IP: Logged Dustin Mitchell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1865 From: Mondovi, WI, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 10-16-2005 06:04 PM                     quote: Thomas Dieter I hate to say this Bruce, but from all the large Corporate theatres that I have attended, most of them don't care. I have to say that the little guy that owns a few theatres takes care of prints better than and Regal, AMC, Carmike, Etc. Just my experience. I went to see Lord of War at a local independent the other week. When the previews started I noticed the picture was skewed due to the scope lens not being in correctly and their top masking was set for flat, leaving a large black area between the top of the picture and the masking. I went to the box office and told them the problems. The girl paused and said "It'll probably be fixed when the movie starts but I'll tell her (manager on duty) anyway." The problem was never fixed. I happen to mange a Carmike in the same town. Not only do we offer a superior presentation in that we have side masking on all screens, but the above scenario would never happen at my theatre. It may be true that in general independents have better presentations than chains, but its not a hard and fast rule.  |  IP: Logged

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