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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from)
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quote: Jim Bedford
I love this thread, have used it myself, but wonder if anyone has gotten feedback from any of their "outing" posts.
Lots of feedback & apologies.

quote: Jim Bedford
Have any complainants ever contacted the culpable booth/theatre butchers to out them face-to-face, phone-to-phone or email-to-email? What's been the response if any?
Yes. In some cases there has been a total clearing of house (termination of all the idiots involved).

quote: Jim Bedford
Has it changed the way bad guys send out film?
In a good number of cases, yes.

quote: Dominic Espinosa
I doubt any self respecting film-techer would be damaging prints like the ones mentioned in this topic.
I guess you'd be in for a surprise then.

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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Here's some feedback in regards to Aaron's post above about the Brenden Palms 14 in Las Vegas. They hadn't seen that post until I pointed it out to them yesterday while I was visiting the booth during a service call.

The manager of that place wishes it to be known that his staff did not touch that #46 print of Me and You and Everyone We Know. That print ran as part of the annual CineVegas Film Festival which is run each year by a top-notch, professional film handling crew brought in from Phoenix, AZ. No one on the Palms' booth staff is allowed to touch any of the prints used in the CineVegas Film Festival.

Why the Phoenix guys choose to place automation cues the way they do is a mystery to me, since the Brenden Palms uses Big Sky automation with an entirely different way for spotting cues. All of the 35mm festival titles run on existing booth gear.

So yes, a messed up print came from the Brenden Palms 14 address, but it was not touched by Brenden booth staff.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Actually is was Hill Top Productions of Santa Fe, NM, not Phoenix AZ. They left their stickers (with URL and phone numbers) on all the leaders of the print, saying that the film had been run at CineVegas.

I edited the original post to reflect this misundrstanding.

My apologies to the projection staff of the Brenden Palms 14.

-Aaron

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Bill Hill
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In response to Hill top Productions' handling of print #46 of "Me And You And Everyone We Know", I doubt very much that you received that print directly from us at the 2005 CineVegas Film Festival.
According to my records, the print was brand new when we received it, except for the fact that the head of reel #4 was folded back in on itself.
We NEVER run automation at any of the dozen plus festivals that my crew or I work. We remove any sensing tape we find. Sometimes we miss it. I don't believe any of my crew would miss the tape you describe, and, since it was a new print, that point is moot.
So, if there was none on it when we received it, and we never use it, it must have been somewhere else previous to you receiving it.
Our stickers are on the head of each reel that is inspected by us. We receive feedback from all over the world. In the 20 plus years that my company has been supplying these services to film festivals, this is the first complaint I have heard.
Curious that it takes place publicly when my web address is clearly printed on the inspection stickers. No one contacted us about the situation. One of my crew in Cleveland alerted me to this discussion.
Bill Hill
Hill Top Productions

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Aaron Sisemore
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Deleted.

[ 08-10-2005, 01:45 AM: Message edited by: Aaron Sisemore ]

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Jason Miller
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musta been the courier. he has a pro 35 mounted in the back of the truck and on his breaks projects films onto the door.

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John Hawkinson
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Trusting labels is tricky. Perhaps it was couriered elsewhere in LV or the LV area before going to Aaron.

--jhawk

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Brad Miller
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This just in...Aaron's print went from the aforementioned theater in Vegas, to another theater in San Jose, California and then to him.

Lesson learned, always check the playdates and if more than a day has passed, it could have played at another location involving two courier trips. [Wink]

Regardless, you people in San Jose who had this print, YOU SUCK! [Big Grin]

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Phil Blake
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Well from time to time I have glanced through some of the film worlds greatest distasters in this thread . I can safely say in my time with film I really have not experienced any real bad displays of poor film handling.well .... that was until tonight, when our Print of Crash arrived for a special Sunday screening.
It was in the box , that was a good start , but only 5 of the 6 reels were in the box and all those 5 had no heads or tails attached , and 2 of the centre cores had come out film was twisted and crushed. and no cardboard dividers were used in the box so the film on the top reels had slipped down over each other.And the film had not been wound even and many edges had been folded over.

The I discovered why I had only 5 reels , the entire print had been cut where ever the last handler felt would do.

Then I found scenes spliced into incorrect reels.

I was send a box of seaweed. What type of operator does this and how do they get away with it.

Is it because film is on its way out soon , with digital around the corner , people just dont give a damn anymore.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Phil Blake
I was send a box of seaweed. What type of operator does this and how do they get away with it.


Where I work in a discount, kiddie operated, 2-buck house, sometimes I opened up the cans, or that cumbersome plastic "fox-box" and find
"seaweed" in them - all snarled and tangled up pretty tight around the reels.

On some occasions, it's kinda not the operator's fault, yet it is - they just need to put fresh tape on the lead ends, or put a good length of tape to really hold the head of the lead down.

For sometimes, I've noticed that the leads were definitely taped down, but with all of the jiggling and sloshing around the reels do within the containers during shipment from the depot to theatre, and especially with one reel gone and in its place, trailers and the DTS discs, this will lead to the "seaweed syndrome" when it pertains to used prints.

We could also stick some of the blame on the depots for not opening up the containers and checking for this "seaweed syndrome" and doing the methods of preventing such an insident in the future.

Luckilly, TECH has solved this problem, for in the past, it was "seaweed city" in those orange cans a long while ago.

-Monte

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Aaron Sisemore
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National Amusements Bridge Cinema DeLux, Los Angeles, CA, guess what:

Y O U S U C K ! ! !

Print #121 of The Aristocrats arrived this morning from you and when we opened the cans, imagine the shock when we found:

No leaders on ANY of the reels, and no other identifiers(like tape with reel numbers) as to which reel was which!!!

I immediately called TES to reject this print and request a new one. In the time it took for TES to check and call me back to tell me that there weren't any more prints of this title available, the other projectionist that was making the print up had found the leaders: Yes, you were so considerate as to tape the head and tail together, roll them up onto the reel, then follow that with the rest of the reel!! I am quite amazed at your clever film-handling technique! [Roll Eyes]

I have also told TES to never send us another print from your theatre again.

Thanks a lot.

*Apologies to you in advance if it is found that the print somehow managed to get to someone else between your theatre and mine.

-Aaron

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Aaron Sisemore
tape the head and tail together, roll them up onto the reel, then follow that with the rest of the reel
We get that at least once a year here. I can only imagine how often it happens to a subrun multiplex.

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Leo Enticknap
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Northwest Airlines... YOU SUCK!

...as far as 'film' presentation is concerned, anyhow.

The 'theatre' in question was Northwest flight 41 from Amsterdam to Minneapolis on Tuesday 6 September 2005. It was a clapped-out old DC-10 from the 1970s, probably. The seats were threadbare, the lav door wouldn't lock properly (with the result that you had to wedge the door shut with one foot behind you while taking aim, so to speak) and the in-flight entertainment was provided by an equally clapped out CRT video projector and a bulkhead screen about 3 feet across.

The economy class cabin had two of these arrangements, one for each section (behind and in front of the emergency exit doors). The one at the front showed a 16:9 image, while the one at the back was anamorphically squeezed into 4:3. This suggests to me that the source was a 16:9 DVD or MPEG server, but it could have been VHS long play by the time the projectors had finished with it. The three CRT tubes were misaligned on both projectors, causing an interesting and very different edge fringing pattern on each one (I had a view of both from my seat). The lamps were knackered out in both projectors, with the result that the picture was very dim. Admittedly the bright sunlight coming in through the windows didn't help (we took off at 11am and landed at 1am local times, and so were flying in the mid-morning sunshine throughout the 9 hours or so). The colour hue was very different between the two projectors, also.

The 'entertainment' started with the safety stuff and then the 'how to fill in your immigration and customs card' video. Because we were flying from Amsterdam, these were all supposed to be shown in Dutch and English versions. When it came to the immigration video, we got the Dutch version twice, and when it became apparent that there was a problem, all the flight attendants started clustering round the video rack, arguing with each other and trying to get it to play the English one. The features were Madagascar and Monster In Law, both of which looked like they'd been cropped on all four sides. The sound coming out of the at-seat headsets was at least a second out of sync with the picture; probably more.

Admittedly an airliner is not the ideal environment to show a movie in, but I am surprised that the studios allow their product to be shown to the public in conditions that bad. You can get a really bright LCD or DLP data projector for a few grand that would at least have sorted out the hue issues and been bright enough for people to watch without eyestrain. Compared to the overall cost of operating an intercontinental flight, the outlay would be nothing, I'd have thought. And given that it would be less than half the weight of those CRT things, they might even save the airline money.

And, to be fair, it was only movie presentation that Northwest sucked at. The flight arrived on time, the cabin crew was friendly and helpful, the legroom was generous and the meal was easily the best I've had in an economy class long-haul.

Anyhow, I look forward to enjoying some more spectacular theatres during my fortnight in California.

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Paul Mayer
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Possibly maintenance on such items as IFE has been eliminated for the duration of the mechanics' strike. Or not. The last time I rode an airliner with CRT video projection it too looked awful. Don't remember the airline but I remember those pictures. I'm surprised anyone is still flying with CRTs since they do require constant touch-up to look their best and weigh way more than other available display technology.

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Patrick Matthews
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Hey! Whoever handled my print, #2156 of Fight Club, YOU SUCK! [fu] First off every head and tail was spliced on with no less than 5 layers of tape. Worst of all was the no less than 30 splices in the middle of reel no. 1. If that wasn't bad enough, a few of them were spliced back in out of frame and none of them were spliced on with clear splicing tape.

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