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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 07-23-2004 12:16 PM                     Whoever had print #8 of Festival Express before me, you suck SUCK SUCK!!! 3 of the reels had leaders artist-taped together Reel 3 was split in half, the latter half of that wound onto reel 4, and the other part of R3 had the head and tail reversed. Print is all better now, but what a headache... -Aaron  |  IP: Logged Christopher Seo Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 530 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-23-2004 11:27 PM                     I can top that Aaron... The print of "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring" (etc.) that we got was a complete mess. Incorrect tail leader on every reel, despite ID frames, although apparently the breaker-downer had enough mental capacity to match the head leaders. Masking-taped leaders, cheap splicing tape, and large blotches of blooping ink over the reel changes that spilled into the projected image area. Not to mention the bevy of black lines which moved to a pulsing beat. The real (reel?) kicker, though, came at the end of R-5. It was the second-to-last, but lo and behold, here come the credits! So what could possibly be on 'R-6'? Why, the last 12 minutes of R-1 of course! (With the R-2 tail leader taped on at the end, just to be safe.) EDIT: I just remembered that there was a lab splice right at the point where R-1 was split in half. Still doesn't explain much, though....  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 07-25-2004 03:54 AM                     Now that's ... odd. Hey, TES. You suck! My print of Bourne Supremacy #1156 came pre-scratched! Thanks a lot. About half way through the 5th reel is a black scratch, unwavering, nice and thick just off to the side of the soundtrack. And this print was brand new...  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2004 05:50 AM                     FYI, that's not TES' fault. That was the fault of the lab that printed the movie. In this case it was the Technicolor lab...but not the Technicolor depot (which is abbreviated with "TES"). Even at that, such a small thing in the middle of a reel couldn't realistically have been caught at the lab. Just request a replacement reel.  |  IP: Logged Wolff King Morrow Master Film Handler Posts: 490 From: Denton, TX, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 07-25-2004 06:05 AM                        A print of Care Bears 2 I received just recently was in such bad shape, we had to order another one to replace it. The film had all the usual scratches, but was so covered in dirt and filth, I simply could not clean it off! I used Filmguard, several cotton gloves, and film-cleaning cloths, but the dirt was far too much to make any improvement. By the time I got done with the 4th and final reel, all the white cloths and gloves I had used were completely BLACK. Literally the film looked like it had been bathed in brownish-red soil for years, then randomly broken down several times using damaged equipment. Completely ruined print, yet I had to return it. It should have been destroyed instead.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-25-2004 08:24 AM                     ``The Technicolor depot (which is abbreviated with "TES"). '' Well, if you want to be technical about it (and probably we should), the Technicolor depot/exchange is Technicolor Cinema Distribution, or TCD. The labs are Technicolor Release Print Services. The post-production is Technicolor Creative Services (TCS). Together, all three make up TES (possibly also including Technicolor Digital Cinema, TDC, if it still exists, not to be confused with TCD). So it's probably best to not use TES to refer to TCD in cases where it really matters. I believe it is possible to figure much of this out from the map on their web site, but using that as the sole source would be challenging . ... oh, here we go. their Entertainment Services Overview is more helpful. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 07-25-2004 01:12 PM                     quote: John Hawkinson Well, if you want to be technical about it (and probably we should), the Technicolor depot/exchange is Technicolor Cinema Distribution, or TCD. OMG! Who cares!!!  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 07-25-2004 01:30 PM                        Labs print and process the prints, film exchanges warehouse and ship them. There is a difference, as in the case of Warner Bros. who normally use Technicolor for their lab work, and ETS as their US film exchange.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2004 05:00 PM                     From day one here on this forum TES has always been an abbreviation to "Technicolor Entertainment Services"...as read off of the film can labels.  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-25-2004 05:03 PM                     And so it is! But it is inaccurate to say that Tech. lab is not part of TES, because it is. TES includes the labs and TCD. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2004 05:11 PM                     And how many mere commoners do you presume shall bother to make such a punctilious distinction?  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-25-2004 05:14 PM                     Six.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 07-25-2004 06:33 PM                  >>> Phil  |  IP: Logged Mike Babb Master Film Handler Posts: 250 From: Norwich UK Registered: Jul 2002 posted 07-25-2004 07:24 PM                        Just curious, since this thread was started has there been any improvement in the condition of prints received?  |  IP: Logged Dean Kollet Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 591 From: Florida State University Registered: Jul 2003 posted 07-25-2004 10:30 PM                     Miracle 5 in Tallahassee, FL... We don't get many prints from them anymore, but Kill Bill Vol. 1 was scratched to hell when we got it from them. Also, my experience tonight and this week confirm that they suck. I went to see "Super Size Me" the other day with my lady and the last 20 feet and the first 20 feet of each reel were scratched, plus a nice hairline scratch througout the movie. Maybe one mistake? Nope. I went to see "Napoleon Dynamite" earlier tonight only to find the same scratchs, interesting. And to top it off....the movie was started 10 minutes early, so what do they do? They wait until the movie is into the opening scene/credits to stop it, come down to the theatre and tell us they made a mistake and will start it back up in 5 minutes. I went to the Manager and asked why they would do that and they said b/c they didn't want the people in line for tickets to get upset....WHAT ABOUT the 50 people in the THEATRE?!?! I've seen 6 movies there in the past few months and all have them have either been scratched and/or dirty (even opening show!!)...  |  IP: Logged

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