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Steve Kraus
Film God

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From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000

posted 07-08-2004 03:41 PM

Ah...maybe that's why it seemed something was missing.

This was at AMC South Barrington 30 (South Barrington, IL). Screen #15 (one of the big Torus suckage screens!)

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 07-08-2004 06:34 PM

Well, whoever had my print of Sleepover before I got it sucks. Besides these fabulous splices...

Check out the incredible condition of their splicer. Not only do the blades cut into the edge of the film, but the blades are so dull the tape doesn't trim the splicing tape anywhere near the edge!

Surely I don't even need to bother explaining what is wrong with THIS splice!

There were also many wraps of film that protruded from the otherwise tightly wound roll causing pretty major sprocket damage. This was a used print from TES. It was not circuited. It had about 1 inch of white tape holding the leaders down. And there was no integrity check sticker. Possible this one somehow got through IC by mistake?

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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
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posted 07-08-2004 06:37 PM

What? No dye track?

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Brad Miller
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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
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posted 07-08-2004 06:43 PM

Nope, just more empty threats from the dye people. [Roll Eyes]

We're ready. We spent the money. Where are the prints?

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 07-08-2004 08:08 PM

Looks like MGM opted for another mixed inventory of cyan and dye+silver tracks, like they used for "Soul Plane". In the US, you may receive either (they assume US theatres have enough red readers to cope), and the dye+silver prints will be the ones culled after first-run for sending overseas to less developed markets.

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Dominic Espinosa
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: California, U.S.A.
Registered: Jan 2004

posted 07-09-2004 10:46 AM

On the subject of Cyan dye, I think it looks funny but it works so there it is.

And whoever Angela is who originally built my move-over print of Soul Plan....YOU SUCK!
Masking tape is crap, and so are the heads and tails on this print. The film was also filthy and scratched. Clean your equipment!
But once again FilmGuard saves the day. With a heavy application and about 4 runs the image looks great, no more dirt, and some of the scratches are even less noticeable...Or I'm just used to seeing it...I don't know.

And on a similar note. I just realised the irony...I work for the same theater I once called to complain about the quality of a print. Chicago. Missing 200' of film, a shipping reel, and having the 4th and 5th reels combined.
Go figure.

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Thomas Procyk
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Royal Palm Beach, FL, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 07-09-2004 10:55 AM

quote: Dominic Espinosa
On the subject of Cyan dye, I think it looks funny but it works so there it is.

No. It doesn't work. You have to change your equipment to make it work. [Frown]

Anyone also notice that most of the actual image on the print of Soul Plane is cyan? I walked in on a scene where they were in a bar/club on the plane and all the lights were cyan illuminating the bar. A little voice in the back of my head said, "Oh no! The soundtrack dye bled all over the print!" [Smile]

=TMP=

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 07-09-2004 05:33 PM

quote: Thomas Procyk
No. It doesn't work. You have to change your equipment to make it work

Cyan dye analog tracks work well, just as predicted by the work of the Dye Track Committee. No one said they would work well with old "white light" readers. Here's one of the SMPTE technical papers with data to remind you:

http://www.dyetracks.org/ci.os.0012.reddye.html

quote: John Pytlak
Red Readers, Silver, High-Magenta, and Cyan Analog Soundtracks:
Review and Status

by Paul R. Goldberg

Reprinted with permission of SMPTE

This paper reviews the benefits of silverless, cyan dye tracks to the motion picture industry, the status of red reader deployment in motion picture theaters, the effect of red reader characteristics on the sonic performance of silver and dye tracks, and the need for the intermediate step of first moving the industry to "high-magenta" color balance reapplicated soundtracks before changing over to silverless cyan dye tracks. In addition, an updated high-magenta and cyan dye track industry road map is presented.

quote: John Pytlak
...the tungsten reader reproduces a cyan dye track print with a loss of ~11 dB, whereas the red LED reader reproduces cyan track and silver track prints with almost equal amplitude. This is why silver and dye tracks can be interchangeably played on red readers with no gain adjustment of the playback electronics.

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Dustin Mitchell
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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-09-2004 11:44 PM

No Brad, your non-inspected print wasn't an anomoly. I recieved a print of 'Sleepover' from the TES depot as well and although the last threate did a decent job of handling it (they didn't peel their zebra tape off but the leaders were spliced back on) they and/or the TES guys who handling the print didn't use enough masking tape and the leaders of several reels were wrapped around each other in the cans.

I know TES handled the print because a trailer was attached to the print at the depot and a couple of loose ones added to the cans.

Oh, and our soundtrack was cyan.

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Daniel Fuentz
Expert Film Handler

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From: Fresno, CA, USA
Registered: Apr 2003

posted 07-17-2004 05:03 AM

As much as I hate to bash the little guy -- people at the Madera Drive-In, YOU SUCK! The past two seasons I have seen more prints damaged at your theater than I can count. The second day Harry Potter was out, I saw it at your drive-in with a nice green scratch down the right hand side of the screen lasting three or four reels. Same for Hulk, Troy, Scooby Doo 2, and countless other films! Tonight, I saw Spider Man 2 with green marks all down the right hand side of the screen (marks that looked like this / / raining down that side of the picture) Fix the problem already! (Not that anyone there will ever see it, but if anyone here ever gets a print from that theater you can expect it to be damaged in this fashion...)

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Dominic Espinosa
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From: California, U.S.A.
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posted 07-18-2004 04:38 PM

I can personallty attest to those goddamn green scratches, Daniel!
I recieved a print of chicago from them with a green scratch all the way down slightly off center towards the soundtrack edge.

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Daniel Fuentz
Expert Film Handler

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From: Fresno, CA, USA
Registered: Apr 2003

posted 07-21-2004 05:31 AM

Chicago? They've been screwing up prints for that long?! [Eek!]

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Dominic Espinosa
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From: California, U.S.A.
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posted 07-22-2004 02:33 PM

True.
I have never seen a print from Madera look decent.
This leads me to believe both Madera Cinemas and the drive in there suck.

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Daniel Fuentz
Expert Film Handler

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From: Fresno, CA, USA
Registered: Apr 2003

posted 07-23-2004 02:25 AM

I have never been to the indoor theater there, but it has the same owner as the drive-in so it's possible they both have junk equipment. From what I can see through the windows at the drive-in, their projector dates back to when the theater was built, and they have Christie platters. (Can't tell if they're AW2's AW3's or what, all I can see is the top of the platter tree from the ground.) I also noticed the film has a LOT of slack in it when it's going into the projector. From peeking in booth windows at the megaplexes, I don't see the film bouncing up and down so much as it goes from the platter to the projector. I don't know if that's part of the problem or if it's another problem. Someone with booth experience needs to get a job at that drive-in and fix their booth for them. [Big Grin]

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Thomas Dieter
Expert Film Handler

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From: Yakima, WA
Registered: Jun 2004

posted 07-23-2004 12:06 PM

Okay, this is real smooth. From what I can tell, some Ma and Pa theatre isn't using splicing tape for their films. Infact, if I know anyone here, everyone is going to flip. They are using masking tape. That's right. One of my friends for the theatre group in Yakima Wa, got a second hand print, and the film had no spliceing tape marks of the sort. The heads and tails had masking tape that matched with a tear, and it was perferated, and looked like it had been run through a projector. Isn't that just rich. I mean, "Come on, is your company that low on the food chain that it can't afford even the cheapest of splicing tape, even the crappy shit that breaks the easiest?"

All I have to say is WTF, this is really lame, and there are only 2 reasons that I can think that this is happening. Either they are low on funds, and trying to make it through, or their projectionist is about as old as Noah and his ark, and he can't see or feel the splicing tape really well. But that's no excuse. Yo, you with the masking tape splices, YOU SUCK.

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