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Author Topic: Hey you, you suck! (AKA: Outing bad film handlers) Steve Scott Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1300 From: Minneapolis, MN Registered: Sep 2000 posted 05-07-2005 03:29 PM                     To AMC's South Barrington 30, thank you for the SRD track with the long, clear scratch running through the entirity of print #0060 of The Upside of Anger. Also, thank you for leaving all but three feet of tail leader at the end of the print. At least I'm only running this print once a day  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-11-2005 03:26 PM                     Handled a print of Cats and Dogs last week (must remember to get the print number) where reels 1-3 were passable, but reels 4 and 5 were LOADED with splices beyond belief. Clearly someone "dumped" the print onto the floor, as it started a few minutes into reel 4 and was so bad you couldn't understand the dialogue because of all the jumps. Had to get replacement reels which were reported to me as being scratchy, but at least complete. Also let's not this fabulous example of "you suck".  |  IP: Logged Emma Tomiak Expert Film Handler Posts: 238 From: Carrollton, TX, USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 06-11-2005 11:41 PM                        Well Brad, we should expect a LOT worse than that. After all, it's kid's summer film series time! Trashed print after trashed print.  |  IP: Logged Dieter Depypere Master Film Handler Posts: 343 From: Deutsch-Wagram, Lower Austria, Austria Registered: May 2005 posted 06-12-2005 04:07 AM                     Whoever had the idea to leave a note "Attention, this reel is tail up!" when the reel was in fact head up? Happened at reel IV of i Robot. Also the leader was replaced (it was not a tail leader). "Er...ok... is this thing now head or tail up?" Luckily I saw that the reel had end reel cue marks - it could be identified that way. Nevertheless I was left puzzled... Thank you, "A.R.G.E. Seekinos", for wasting my valuable time.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-12-2005 05:52 AM                        quote: Scott Norwood That's my made-up term for leaders which have several single frames individually spliced onto them. It is the result of lazy operators at platter or large-reel houses which chop off an additional reference frame rather than peeling the splicing tape when receiving a previously built-up print. Yup; it's the equivalent of "fan-fold" computer paper, and it makes you want to break someones fingers. The thing I simply don't understand is, if these aholes are soooo lazy as to not peal off splicing tape at the joints, why oh why don't they just cut on the existing splice? Why do they insist on cutting a NEW frame? You would think lazy instinct would tell them to just cut where the cut already is. Extra splicing tape at the joints would be much preferred than mulitple missing frames. When the tape gets built up with too many layers (assuming multiple idiots have been handling the print), the hope is that SOMEONE who isn't quite the lazy fool as were his predecessors will just peal off the big patch of splicing tape and your back to a clean splice and a preserved print integrity. In fact, it is much easier to peal off say five layers of splicing tape than it is to peel off just one. Oh, but you say these baffoons don't want layers of splicing tape to mar their presentation at the joints is why they make a new frame cut instead. I say, if they are THAT lazy that they won't take the time to peel off a piece of splicing tape, I will bet a box of my best yellow splicing tape that they aren't THAT concerned about their presentation. Since most projectors were able to handle wet cement splices consisting of the thickness of two overlapping pieces of acetate film without incident, multiple layers of splicing tape up to that thickness should run fine -- as in, "fine" they will go through the mechanism, not necessarily "fine" for presentation quality. So I guess we just have to hope the splice jockeys are either really REALLY lazy or really REALLY conscientious. It's the "in between guys" who are doing the accordion damage thing.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-12-2005 03:57 PM                     Frank, most splicing tape on the market is crap and doesn't peel worth a flip. In that instance, and especially with a multiplex that has ONE EVENING to throw everything together, it's considered wasting too much time to sit and try to peel the tape off, as it keeps tearing into smaller pieces and then when all of the tape is off the fun start with getting the residue off. None of this would happen if people used quality splicing tape, such as Neumade. That stuff is the strongest, has the best slitting and peels just about as easily as a post it.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-14-2005 03:31 AM                        Agreed; Neumade tape is just what you need -- strong enough to come off in one piece and with adhesive that doesn't leave itself on the film. I've been using it every since you mentioned it a few years ago (thank you) and whenever I encounter the crap, I realize what a difference there is between splicing tapes.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 06-14-2005 08:46 PM                        Re: Neumade tape. Is the source for Neumade tape still the same? I have heard many rumors that (like the splicer) REAL Neumade tape is no longer from Neumade. Louis  |  IP: Logged Brad Allen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 688 From: Evansville, IN, USA Registered: May 2000 posted 06-14-2005 11:34 PM                     The last batch of Neumade tape I bought sucks. Poor adhesion.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-15-2005 11:33 PM                        Oh, that's just GREAT. A line from an IMAX film comes to mind...."Just when you think you've got it all, it slowly begins to slip away" (picture of a 40-something woman looking sadly at her face in a mirror). I can't remember the title of this IMAX film, but I think it wasn't really and original IMAX because as I recall, it was all a montage of multiple images on the screen, never an entire full screen image. Or at least that's what I remember; in fact, that one shot and the voice-over is the ONLY thing I remember about it. So NOW what do we do? Any other tape out there come close to Neumade?  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 07-03-2005 03:10 PM                     I don't know who did this, but this person is certainly mentally ill. Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to buy shoe polish. A few feet of paint is bad enough, but this is several hundred feet! [ 07-03-2005, 06:08 PM: Message edited by: Dan Lyons ]  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 07-03-2005 04:21 PM                     quote: Frank Angel Any other tape out there come close to Neumade? head on over to www.boothsupplies.com for some good tape - and they even have splicemark tape. quote: Dan Lyons Crazy people shouldn't be allowed to buy shoe polish. I've seen basically the same with ones using yellow grease pencil..then, there are the "tards", when breaking down on CHR MK-I MUTS, don't know how to rewind film on the shipping reels and have the film with soundtrack on the inboard of the reel wind with the wind is completed and leave me no "reference" frames so I can see if the leaders match the reel.  |  IP: Logged Stephen Jones Master Film Handler Posts: 314 From: Geelong Victoria Australia Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-18-2005 09:37 PM                     Recieved our print of Flight Of The Phoenix Yesterday ex U.K.We have had prints from the U.K before without any problems.Our above print had the head and tail leaders wrapped around the spls at least I could still ID the reels with the amount of frame ID frames they left on each leader.But what really pissed me off was that the end of spl6 had no tail and with the last 30 secs of the credits missing now thats going to make for perfect presentation which by the way we pride ourselve on.But they did write on in white paint stuff the reel number etc on the end over the remaining credits great stuff!looks like there are some projectionists In the UK with their brains in their arse.I hope this was only a one off as the standards of UK projection staff is usually high and not a sign of things to come.Will try to get a replacement spl 6 but dont like my chances as they only seem to get enough prints to cover the release for movies that arent block busters Steve  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-20-2005 09:35 AM                     Frank said Oh, that's just GREAT. [Mad] A line from an IMAX film comes to mind...."Just when you think you've got it all, it slowly begins to slip away" (picture of a 40-something woman looking sadly at her face in a mirror). I can't remember the title of this IMAX film, but I think it wasn't really and original IMAX because as I recall, it was all a montage of multiple images on the screen, never an entire full screen image. Or at least that's what I remember; in fact, that one shot and the voice-over is the ONLY thing I remember about it" Did you see it at ontario place cinesphere if so it is probably Tiger Child or Labyrinth  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 07-20-2005 09:50 AM                     quote: Stephen Jones I hope this was only a one off as the standards of UK projection staff is usually high and not a sign of things to come. You can hope, but I wouldn't be too hopeful; I've never run a new print, other than ads and trailers and a few 16mm ones, and the condition of even ones only a couple of months old has been getting much worse recently. Nearly all the problems are in twenty feet or so at each end of the reels.  |  IP: Logged

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