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Stephen Furley
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Sadly, another contribution to make to this thread.

On Tuesday we are running 'To Have and Have Not', just two shows, on that one day. The print, DL1 from the BFI had arrived when I got there on Friday afternoon. When I open the box everything looks ok, blue 'polyester' labels on the cans, so it should be a fairly new print. Open the cans, the reasonable quality purple ones which the BFI tends to use, print looks clean, and not full of splices. I don't expect any problems.

We don't normally pre-screen films; lots of films, single screen, there just isn't time to do it, but I inspect everything on the bench before it goes on screen. With an old film like this I do try to run one reel, mainly to check the sound levels. The only time when there was a long enough gap in the programme to do this was after the morning children's film. I hadn't had time to inspect the first reel properly beyond the first minute or so, but it looked ok, so I put it up on screen. Picture looked fine, sound level was unusually high, went down to the auditorium to listen to it. Sound level not right, run up to the box to adjust it, when I get back down it sounds fine. A remote fader in the auditorium would be useful at times like this. Then I notice something strange; there's a sort of small dark patch dancing about near the right-hand edge of the frame. It's in a dark area of the picture, so it's not easy to see what it is, but it certainly wasn't there at the beginning of the reel. I take a closer look; it's a burn. How the hell do you manage to burn the edge of the frame like this? Go back up to the box, I can see the damage above the gate, and even feel it if I touch the emulsion side. The damage gets worse as the reel goes on, but reel two is ok. Maybe it was run on 2000 foot reels; no, reel three is fine. Only reel one is affected, and what's even odder is that the damage runs past the end of the reel, through the tail leader. It looks like somebody has run a single reel of the film, with a lamp almost impossibly out of alignment, and screened the tail leader as well, just for good measure.

I've scanned one of the several ID frames from the tail leader. More on that in a moment. Here's what it looks like:

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The emulsion hadn't actually burned through to clear film on most of the frames, but the position was the same throughout the damage, probably about 75% of the reel. I'm not sure I could burn a print in that position even if I tried to.

Thanks are also due to several long-run projectionists for chopping off the leaders at various random points, anything up to about six indididual ID frames, with a splice between each in some cases. Assuming that the original printed cues were in the correct position, one reel has no less than 14 frames completely missing. We will be running the film on 6k spools, so I only bothered to check the position of the cues on reel three.

Then there are the changeover projectionists who so kindly provided me with several different sets of cues. The negative had been punched to provide a black dot, which was perfectly visible, but somebody had decided to scribe, with a proper marker, on top of these,but with a two-frame offset from the original position, so the cue spans six frames. I quite like the scribed cues, they are small, can be seeen against a light or dark background, and avoid having to mark the negative, but there is no need for them when the print already has perfectly adequate printed cues. Just for good measure there were also white wax pencil and red ink cues in various random positions, but at least I was able to remove these. Finally, there is the visually-impaired 6k spool projectionist who felt the need to add sticky label cues to the end of reel three. These were rather odd cues, they were on only two frames, but not consecutive ones, and the two sets of cues were only about three seconds apart. I'm not joking, these things were about 9mm in diameter. I managed to remove them, but it took several minutes each by the time I got rid of the sticky muck that they left behind.

The duty manager, and two technicians are in the hall next to the cinema, so I call them in to look at it. We agree, even before seeing the end of the reel where it gets worse, that we need to try to get a replacement, but I don't think the chances are good.

Tried to 'phone the BFI to report the damage, but couldn't get through to anybody, so I'll e-mail the chief this evening, and he'll have to deal with it tomorrow.

This is a polyester print; it can't be more than a few years old.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Stephen Furley
Finally, there is the visually-impaired 6k spool projectionist who felt the need to add sticky label cues to the end of reel three.
Be thankful your print was handled by a true professional. If he'd been a real bodger, he'd have used a paper hole punch, of the sort used by students to file A4 sheets in a ring binder (I'm not joking - I have seen 'cue dots' produced this way).

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Stephen Furley
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I suppose I should be grateful for something. [Roll Eyes]

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Scott Norwood
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Hey, you, yes you in Miami, FL, whoever sent me what is probably the only English-subtitled print of "Additions and Subtractions"--you suck!

You sent it in standard ICC cans without reels and without cores. Obviously, you rewound it onto 3" cores and then popped the cores out because you were more interested in collecting cores than in keeping the film in good condition. You then put lots of nasty and cheap masking tape all over the sides of each "reel," leaving goo all over the edges of the film. Oh, and one of the reels was missing a head leader and you didn't bother to replace it or at least wind some junk film around the head to avoid damage to the first few feet of that reel.

I haven't seen evidence of this much sucking in quite a while.

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Brad Miller
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Sweet Jesus! I hope whoever had that last gets a HUGE lab bill!

I need to quit my regular jobs and run a depot. It could be fully funded just by a $20 per print charge added to each print that got charged for being returned with damage. It would very quickly put these shitty theaters in bankruptcy and professionalism in presentation would return!

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Scott Norwood
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I love Brad's idea, but of course it won't happen.

When I returned the print, I rewound each reel tightly onto a 2" core (which I don't normally like to use, but that is all that was lying around at this particular venue, which isn't a regular theatre), put it into a plastic bag, and put the bagged reels into the cans with cardboard spacers between them. It looks horrible, but it should do a reasonable job of protecting the film.

I normally keep a stock of reels, lab cans, and 4" cores to use when dealing with prints like this, but I didn't have any of those items with me for that show.

Edit: the sucky theatre in question appears to be Miami Dade College. They played the film in early January.

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Robert Burtcher
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Hey, ETS... You suck!

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6-reel Fox Boxes are a PITA as it is. No need to make it more rough on a projectionist by shipping out a handle-less box!

Well, that's my opinion, at least.

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Thomas Dieter
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I've had that same box before!!! I recognize the Black Duct Tape.

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Brad Miller
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You could always wrap a couple rolls worth of duct tape around the Fox box before you ship it back. [evil]

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Robert Burtcher
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quote: Robert Burtcher was the last to post
I've had that same box before!!! I recognize the Black Duct Tape.
Small world! Nice to know at least *something* in our booth came from a fellow Film-Techer.

quote: Brad Miller
You could always wrap a couple rolls worth of duct tape around the Fox box before you ship it back. [evil]
The closure flap got a new stretch of black duct tape to hopefully help secure it in transit.

In the future, if I get another box like this one, any tips for fabricating some sort of handle to make it easier to carry?

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Brad Miller
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I think you missed my point.

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John Hawkinson
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Sometimes the best answer might be to make sure no one ever has the option to use that box again [evil] .

--jhawk

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Frank Dubrois
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quote: Brad Miller
I think you missed my point.

Lite sarcasm seems like a difficult thing for some people to pick up on, so:

Wrap the entire box in duct tape...several times over, then ship it back.

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Robert Burtcher
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Trust me, if I could put the thing out of it's misery, I would. I don't think my boss would see the humor in it, sadly.

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Brad Miller
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jhawk wrote exactly what my point was, even though I don't think he realized it was my point at the time.

If you put enough tape on that box, it will never ever be able to be used again. The ETS guys will also have one hell of a time trying to get their film out of it upon return.

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